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Originally Posted by umpire

I've seen a simple solution to this problem.
During foot and mouth and mad cow, government decreed that all cattle should be computer tagged and traceable. Therefore all the border agency needs to do is give each illegal imigrant a cow to look after, trace the cow et voila!!

Nice Idea, except, is this fair on the cow?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

Nice Idea, except, is this fair on the cow?

Maybe they should change it to a bull

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

'The Labour Party of 1945 was pretty Left-wing. But it was patriotic, Christian and genuinely working-class. It hated cheats and it loathed crime. Several members of the Labour Cabinet of 1948 voted to keep the death penalty. It did not support immigration. It set up the NHS to care for hard-working people whose illnesses were in many cases caused by that hard work. It was (rightly) deeply suspicious of the first steps towards creating what is now the EU. It supported grammar schools, seeing that they gave the children of the poor a ladder out of that poverty. It favoured strong national defences.

The usual crap - have you never heard of the MV Empire Windrush and her passengers arriving in UK in 1948

[cmonstanley]

it was peter hitchen actually

[Margaret Pilkington]

I thought as much...it sounded like him...it certainly didn't have your stamp on it!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Barrie, the Windrush came from the carribean(I'm sure you know that) and brought immigrants who were(at that time needed) to fill job vacancies caused by the loss of young men in the war......these people integrated quite well......many of them were Christians and had little or no difficulty with religious/cultural issues. I'm sure that some of them were met with hostility...but many of them weren't because they did jobs where they were valued....and they were seen as being necessary, rather than taking jobs that the indigent population needed.

The scenario today with immigrants is very different....it was something that was wilfully done to change the fabric of life in Britain.......it didn't make us multicultural(but it did make many Brits feel resentful) because it was done far too fast and without any thought for the consequences.
We have always been a country of 'mixed breeds' but the mixxing was done over centuries rather than decades.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Barrie, the Windrush came from the carribean(I'm sure you know that) and brought immigrants who were(at that time needed) to fill job vacancies caused by the loss of young men in the war......these people integrated quite well......many of them were Christians and had little or no difficulty with religious/cultural issues. I'm sure that some of them were met with hostility...but many of them weren't because they did jobs where they were valued....and they were seen as being necessary, rather than taking jobs that the indigent population needed.

The scenario today with immigrants is very different....it was something that was wilfully done to change the fabric of life in Britain.......it didn't make us multicultural(but it did make many Brits feel resentful) because it was done far too fast and without any thought for the consequences.
We have always been a country of 'mixed breeds' but the mixxing was done over centuries rather than decades.

I as making the point to our resident moron - I know full well the reason for the West Indian immigrants. If you read his post carefully I am sure you will get my drift. His statement that the '48 Government did not support immigration

[Margaret Pilkington]

Barrie, it wasn't something that he had thought up for himself, it was something he had taken from an article by the journalist Peter Hitchen, though C'mon did fail to attribute it to him...

But it wasn't hard to spot that it wasn't all his own work because it had capital letters, punctuation and made grammatical sense, whereas we all know that C'mon doesn't 'do' punctuation.

And nowhere was there any input from the member who is over the hills and far away, so we don't actually know what he thinks of the scrap of an article he posted.
Taken out of context, these articles mean very little.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

The usual crap - have you never heard of the MV Empire Windrush and her passengers arriving in UK in 1948

All paid for by Winifred Atwell, the pianist, who stashed them in forty to one house and charged them the earth rent

[Margaret Pilkington]

this is the full article.

Labour party elite's secret problem... they can't stand the working class: Peter Hitchens | Mail Online

I'm sorry, I seem to have done a C'mon here. Please forgive me...I will go and do 100 lines.......'I must not emulate the lazy postings of C'mon'

[Margaret Pilkington]

and with reference to that article, isn't it what many of us have been saying for such a long time...that the major parties hold the electorate in contempt, and yet dyed in the wool Labour/tory supporters still flock to vote for the party which despises them and treats them like lackeys.
Isn't this why democracy(if ever there was such a thing) is treated with suspicion, isn't it why the levels of voters have fallen at each election...it isn't apathy, but distrust of the political system.

If you feel that your vote means nothing, will change nothing, then why would you give it to a party that values it so lightly? Promises much and delivers nothing...or certainly nothing that was promised to them(EU referendum).

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

and with reference to that article, isn't it what many of us have been saying for such a long time...that the major parties hold the electorate in contempt, and yet dyed in the wool Labour/tory supporters still flock to vote for the party which despises them and treats them like lackeys.
Isn't this why democracy(if ever there was such a thing) is treated with suspicion, isn't it why the levels of voters have fallen at each election...it isn't apathy, but distrust of the political system.

If you feel that your vote means nothing, will change nothing, then why would you give it to a party that values it so lightly? Promises much and delivers nothing...or certainly nothing that was promised to them(EU referendum).

I take your point Margaret, but you really shouldn't use this muppet to evidence your argument.

Peter Hitchens found his niche at the Daily Mail.

The archetypical bandwagon jumper, so many things are incorrect or skewed in that piece. The simple fact that C'mon used him as an argument should be clanging alarm bells. It's a typical rabble rousing Daily Mail invective.

As an example, look at his first paragraph 'How long does it take for the penny to drop? It is amazing how slow voters have been to see that the two major parties have been stolen from them, and are now their enemies'

Answer...for most of us the penny dropped a long while before he wrote this piece, hence the drop in people voting for the past 20 years..just where has he been living?

Don't forget this is the guy who said that sex education was responsible for teenage pregnancy and STD's....

[DAV007]

Guinness your attacking the author as oppose to the contents.

I wouldn't care less if Bin Laden wrote it, the article still makes a valid point.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by DAV007

Guinness your attacking the author as oppose to the contents.

I wouldn't care less if Bin Laden wrote it, the article still makes a valid point.

Yep.. I'm attacking the author and I'm attacking some of his alleged 'facts'....and I'm also attacking his presumptions that we are unaware of current events and stating that many of us have been pointing this out much more eloquently and in a more unbiased form on this forum for the past few years

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Guinness

I take your point Margaret, but you really shouldn't use this muppet to evidence your argument.

Peter Hitchens found his niche at the Daily Mail.

The archetypical bandwagon jumper, so many things are incorrect or skewed in that piece. The simple fact that C'mon used him as an argument should be clanging alarm bells. It's a typical rabble rousing Daily Mail invective.

As an example, look at his first paragraph 'How long does it take for the penny to drop? It is amazing how slow voters have been to see that the two major parties have been stolen from them, and are now their enemies'

Answer...for most of us the penny dropped a long while before he wrote this piece, hence the drop in people voting for the past 20 years..just where has he been living?

Don't forget this is the guy who said that sex education was responsible for teenage pregnancy and STD's....

I wasn't using him to advance my evidence of anything.
C'mon posted something which was obviously not his own work....I posted the link so that people could read the article in context.

My next post was to say that many of us on here had come to the same conclusion well before this man had written the article.......my point was that the political parties.......all the main ones anyway, have little respect for either the electorate, or for that matter democracy.

I do not need Peter Hitchen to evidence my thoughts. I have eyes, I have a brain.....my eyes are dimming a bit, but my brain is as sharp as it ever was(or so I am told).