Go on il start it off - The Mosquito - for or against? - Page 2

blazey · 12-02-2008, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Less

It's not stupid, it is a true fact, as we all get older the ability to hear higher frequencies diminishes.

This 'device' however should not be allowed to be used in public places, if the noise generated by it effected older people rather than 'the yoof', there would be public outcry, it is punishing all the young for the misdeeds of a minority which isn't supposed to be the way our country conducts itself.

But it ISN'T a FACT, because someone has said on here that they heard it on the radio and they're aged 28. So it IS a fact that hearing diminishes, but there isn't a set age limit on it.

MikeSz · 12-02-2008, 14:51

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Originally Posted by blazey

But it ISN'T a FACT, because someone has said on here that they heard it on the radio and they're aged 28. So it IS a fact that hearing diminishes, but there isn't a set age limit on it.

That would be me

blazey · 12-02-2008, 14:52

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Originally Posted by MikeSz

That would be me

Yeh I wasn't sure if it was a woman... so its radio mike

^^^^^

jambutty · 12-02-2008, 14:55

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Originally Posted by blazey

I like the idea of punishing all in some cases, and in this one, nobody should be hanging around outside the shop so it doesn't matter if it punishes all. As somebody else mentioned, the effect on babies needs to be looked into, as some people still leave their prams outside shops if the shop is too small/doesnt allow prams inside.

Interesting attitude! So taking it to the ultimate conclusion you would be quite happy to serve 10 years in prison because your friend committed the crime?

Come on blazey, you are spouting for the sake of saying something rather than thinking what you are on about. You must have your say even if it is nonsense.

Then you go on showing concern for babies. I suppose that your comments would qualify for coming under the heading of oxymoron.

You are just being contrary and argumentative for the sake of it.

blazey · 12-02-2008, 15:04

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Interesting attitude! So taking it to the ultimate conclusion you would be quite happy to serve 10 years in prison because your friend committed the crime?

Come on blazey, you are spouting for the sake of saying something rather than thinking what you are on about. You must have your say even if it is nonsense.

Then you go on showing concern for babies. I suppose that your comments would qualify for coming under the heading of oxymoron.

I went to a catholic school where everyone was punished for someones bad behavior. It made everyone hate the person who had had us punished, who in turn felt so ashamed that they didn't do it again, at least not for a long time.

Obviously you could be stood outside a shop doing no harm but if your friend decides to cause problems then yes, do something that punishes EVERYONE who stands outside shops so it doesnt happen again.

Obviously if you aren't there with your friend who commits the crime then no, 10 years in prison is stupid. Thats just a stupid example to use.

There is no need for ANYONE to be stood outside a shop, and so the mosquito deters EVERYONE, whether they are causing a nuisance or not. Whilst I think the idea of punishing all in this sense is a good way of deterring the behavior and putting a stop to it, I voted BAN on this poll, which is obviously anonymous to you, because I think the mosquito idea itself is not fully thought through, hence why i mentioned the effects on babies who often have no choice but to be left outside a shop.

Less · 12-02-2008, 15:05

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Originally Posted by blazey

But it ISN'T a FACT, because someone has said on here that they heard it on the radio and they're aged 28. So it IS a fact that hearing diminishes, but there isn't a set age limit on it.

But it is a fact, even the person aged 28 will find their top range diminish as years go by.

When they say younger people can hear higher frequencies and that people over 20 or so can't hear it they are working on what Doctors etc. have found to be the general case and just as some people start losing the ability before that 'general' age, there are others that are lucky enough to still able to hear the higher frequencies beyond that age, but when everything is averaged out it works out to be the 'normal' way for we mere mortals.

I don't expect you to believe me, you never do, so go google the facts for yourself.

blazey · 12-02-2008, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Less

But it is a fact, even the person aged 28 will find their top range diminish as years go by.

When they say younger people can hear higher frequencies and that people over 20 or so can't hear it they are working on what Doctors etc. have found to be the general case and just as some people start losing the ability before that 'general' age, there are others that are lucky enough to still able to hear the higher frequencies beyond that age, but when everything is averaged out it works out to be the 'normal' way for we mere mortals.

I don't expect you to believe me, you never do, so go google the facts for yourself.

It is an observation, but it cannot be a fact without testing everyones hearing.

MikeSz · 12-02-2008, 15:12

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Originally Posted by blazey

It is an observation, but it cannot be a fact without testing everyones hearing.

Well mine works

Il have to log into this after tea, right now I have to go and get beat at football

lancsdave · 12-02-2008, 15:13

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Originally Posted by blazey

hence why i mentioned the effects on babies who often have no choice but to be left outside a shop.

Why have they no choice ? Are babies banned from shops now ?

blazey · 12-02-2008, 15:18

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Why have they no choice ? Are babies banned from shops now ?

Prams are not allowed in many small corner shops, I think the one on roe greave road in oswaldtwistle doesnt allow prams, and one stop shop on union road only has space inside for one small pram.

I also said OFTEN have no choice.

jambutty · 12-02-2008, 18:19

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Originally Posted by blazey

I went to a catholic school where everyone was punished for someones bad behavior. It made everyone hate the person who had had us punished, who in turn felt so ashamed that they didn't do it again, at least not for a long time.

Obviously you could be stood outside a shop doing no harm but if your friend decides to cause problems then yes, do something that punishes EVERYONE who stands outside shops so it doesnt happen again.

Obviously if you aren't there with your friend who commits the crime then no, 10 years in prison is stupid. Thats just a stupid example to use.

There is no need for ANYONE to be stood outside a shop, and so the mosquito deters EVERYONE, whether they are causing a nuisance or not. Whilst I think the idea of punishing all in this sense is a good way of deterring the behavior and putting a stop to it, I voted BAN on this poll, which is obviously anonymous to you, because I think the mosquito idea itself is not fully thought through, hence why i mentioned the effects on babies who often have no choice but to be left outside a shop.

Just because the practice has been to punish the whole class for the demeanours of the few for ages, it doesn’t make it just or right. This practice is wrong – full stop.

How about withdrawing every person’s Incapacity Benefits because of the few fraudsters? That is no different.

Sadly all schools use this practice, or should that be malpractice, but all it does is alienate the students. They don’t grass up the miscreant in the hope that s/he will be so ashamed that they don’t do it again, but because if anyone does, that person will then become the pariah of the group. Or alternatively the troublemaker is either the class bully or one of his/her lieutenants so no dares to speak up.

In this country it is every person’s RIGHT to walk or stand and talk on any PUBLIC land and that includes the pavement in front of a shop or your own front door for that matter. Ever heard of window-shopping? Imagine, if you can, a 12 years old has got some birthday money and is stood outside the shop window trying to decide on what to spend it on. Is it fair that his/her ears should be assailed with a disagreeable noise? The answer has to be an unequivocal NO!

No matter how you dress it up targeting everyone for the actions of a few can never be right, regardless of your protestations. You just won’t admit it.

jambutty · 12-02-2008, 18:26

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Originally Posted by blazey

It is an observation, but it cannot be a fact without testing everyones hearing.

I’ve never heard such utter codswallop in all my life.

If we applied the same principle to other issues then the undisputed Super Middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe
is not champion because he didn’t fight everyone in the world.

You really do need a reality check.

bullseyebarb · 12-02-2008, 18:35

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Originally Posted by jambutty

The real problem isn’t that they hang around places but WHY.

Because, apparently, they have nothing better to do.

It used to be that when people were making a nuisance of themselves, the bobby on the beat would take care of the situation. Just as you say, jambutty.....punish all for the sins of the minority.

Eric · 12-02-2008, 18:45

Shoot! I thought this was about moskies ... real ones, like those in Manitoba that need runways to land and take off ...

I don't like the idea about punishing all for the sins of one or two ... not only that, the idea is a favorite of the French, (pour encourager les autres, or something like that) and we all know they don't know s**t about anything.

SamF · 12-02-2008, 18:48

It's plain and simple discrimination.

If it was a case that some females suddenly started causing a nuisance by standing outside shops and there was a device that only affected females with the same effect as the Mosquito there is no way in hell it would be implemented.

Same case if say some black people started causing a nuisance and the device only affected black people.

Sexist, Racist but not Ageist ?