Government Spy Program will Monitor you! - Page 14

Restless · 04-04-2012, 15:00

they might be for those in F/O areas

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Originally Posted by Neil

What has that got to do with the government?
Virginmedia are doing it themselves at their cost because, in my opinion, they are the best ISP in the UK

kestrelx · 04-04-2012, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Neil

What has that got to do with the government?
Virginmedia are doing it themselves at their cost because, in my opinion, they are the best ISP in the UK

Yeh that's the wrong link! The government are putting in several millions to speed up broad band it was in the March budget!

Margaret Pilkington · 04-04-2012, 16:45

I can't quite see how this would improve the the practical problem of monitoring everyone who has a broadband connection.

jaysay · 04-04-2012, 17:14

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Originally Posted by Restless

they might be for those in F/O areas

Its not very good in my area Restless, theres no cable at all round my neck of the woods

jaysay · 04-04-2012, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I can't quite see how this would improve the the practical problem of monitoring everyone who has a broadband connection.

Legislation or no legislation, if your using the Internet for terrorist activities and are known to the authorities they'll still keep tabs on you no matter what

MargaretR · 04-04-2012, 17:41

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Its not very good in my area Restless, theres no cable at all round my neck of the woods

I think that you are wrong.
Cable is available at my flat - I ordered it as I moved here, and only cancelled because they botched the date, leaving me with no telephone for the week I was moving in.

jaysay · 04-04-2012, 17:46

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

I think that you are wrong.
Cable is available at my flat - I ordered it as I moved here, and only cancelled because they botched the date, leaving me with no telephone for the week I was moving in.

Don't think they got as far as my place Margaret, because I actually tried to get Virgin some time ago and they said they could install in my flat as there was no service available, can't remember it changing

MargaretR · 04-04-2012, 17:51

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Don't think they got as far as my place Margaret, because I actually tried to get Virgin some time ago and they said they could install in my flat as there was no service available, can't remember it changing

I checked -
Virgin Media Packages From £6 - Compare Prices for April 2012

strange that they didn't cable there.

jaysay · 04-04-2012, 17:57

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

I checked -
Virgin Media Packages From £6 - Compare Prices for April 2012

strange that they didn't cable there.

Well it says its available, but I certainly can't remember any upgrades round here, they went right past the end of Mallard Place in the nineties and I enquired about broadband within the last 4 years and they said no can do, strange very strange

MargaretR · 04-04-2012, 18:02

It Isn't available
"Virgin Media is not available in BB5 3SY"

jaysay · 04-04-2012, 18:07

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

It Isn't available
"Virgin Media is not available in BB5 3SY"

Thanks Margaret, thought I was going round the bend, knew it wasn't available only recently

Margaret Pilkington · 04-04-2012, 19:07

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Legislation or no legislation, if your using the Internet for terrorist activities and are known to the authorities they'll still keep tabs on you no matter what

Yes John, but that is very different to being able(physically) to monitor every visit to a website, every e-mail and mobile phone call/text message by every person who has internet facilities ........and done in real time. Now that would take some doing. I don't believe the resources exist to do it.........the hardware may exist, but it takes manpower to determine what is worth pursuing and what is not.

Mancie · 04-04-2012, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes John, but that is very different to being able(physically) to monitor every visit to a website, every e-mail and mobile phone call/text message by every person who has internet facilities ........and done in real time. Now that would take some doing. I don't believe the resources exist to do it.........the hardware may exist, but it takes manpower to determine what is worth pursuing and what is not.

I think there is some of confusion here about how the new regulations will work.. the government will force all ISP's to store data of website visits, e.mail usage etc of everyone who uses the internet for at least 2 years.. on request this information will be given to various government agencies and maybe given to some private companies..no extra manpower is needed because the ISP's to do all the work.

Gordon Booth · 04-04-2012, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes John, but that is very different to being able(physically) to monitor every visit to a website, every e-mail and mobile phone call/text message by every person who has internet facilities ........and done in real time. Now that would take some doing. I don't believe the resources exist to do it.........the hardware may exist, but it takes manpower to determine what is worth pursuing and what is not.

Margaret, it doesn't need massive resources of manpower- the hardware and its software do it for them and will highlight anyone who needs 'attention'.
Visiting certain websites, using certain words, phrases,names will make your activity become highlighted, they can then ask the ISP for full details.
To cut down on unnecessary work they can use combinations of all the above to increase their confidence in a good 'hit'.
I'm all for whatever it takes to improve our security but the mass surveillance of the whole population is going too far.
If it comes in I think there will be some very surprised innocent citizens getting 6am visits and needing new front doors!

Margaret Pilkington · 04-04-2012, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Mancie

I think there is some of confusion here about how the new regulations will work.. the government will force all ISP's to store data of website visits, e.mail usage etc of everyone who uses the internet for at least 2 years.. on request this information will be given to various government agencies and maybe given to some private companies..no extra manpower is needed because the ISP's to do all the work.

I understand that the ISP's have to retain the information for two years, but I'm sure I read that the surveillance that was going to be used would access information about who was using what sites in 'real time'

I am aware that the surveillance agency will not be able to view the content of the communication....only that the communication exists.
If it is something that is thought to be a security risk, then further legal powers will have to be exercised to view the communication.