Grand National - Page 4

SPUGGIE J · 12-04-2006, 18:15

Sports with animals is for the pleasure of humans. The donkeys are also there for human pleasure even if its the shortstops. The comment on sheep dogs is another form of enslavement which is in sense no different than a jockey and a horse, jockey is master horse is slave and the horse is
"demonstrating what it does together with its master as part of their daily working life."

John_Timmins · 12-04-2006, 18:17

u beat me to it!!!!

SPUGGIE J · 12-04-2006, 18:34

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u beat me to it!!!!

Oops sorry JT.

garinda · 12-04-2006, 23:00

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I wondered when someone would get round to sheep dog trials garinda. Much obliged to you for doing so. I take the view that as the dog is demonstrating what it does together with its master as part of their daily working life then it is hardly a sport.

Always happy to oblige.

Does the dog have any say as to wether it wants to participate in any competitions?

jambutty · 13-04-2006, 19:18

If you consider that sports with animals is for the pleasure of humans SPUGGIE J then that is your prerogative. Equally mine is that animals should not be used for human sports. We shall just have to agree to disagree.

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The comment on sheep dogs is another form of enslavement which is in sense no different than a jockey and a horse,

Just exactly when does a human saddle the sheep dog and ride it?

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Does the dog have any say as to wether it wants to participate in any competitions?

No animal has a say in what it is being trained to do garinda. In the case of a dog it views the master as the lead dog in a pack and a dog will follow the leader.

My view as I have already stated is that it is wrong to use animals for human sports and I include birds and fish in that statement. Birds should not be caged. They should be free to fly around as nature intended. Certain birds should not be bred just so that they are frightened into taking flight just so some oik can point a shotgun at it and kill it even if it is for the table.

If fish are caught they should be taken for the table. To catch a fish, rip huge tears in its mouth to remove the hook and then throw it back so that someone else can catch it is plainly wrong and cruel.

And that is my last word on this subject as it is going nowhere.

moon · 13-04-2006, 19:32

I'm all for the grand national because at the end of the day these horses are bred to run,jump and to with stand bad weather so whats so bad.

SPUGGIE J · 13-04-2006, 19:58

I fish for trout and they are for eating. Dispatched quickley with the priest to avoid it suffering.

garinda · 13-04-2006, 21:52

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No animal has a say in what it is being trained to do garinda. In the case of a dog it views the master as the lead dog in a pack and a dog will follow the leader.
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When did the dog say that was it's views?

Who did it tell, Dr. Doolittle?

SPUGGIE J · 14-04-2006, 07:46

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If you consider that sports with animals is for the pleasure of humans SPUGGIE J then that is your prerogative.

Then we agree to disagree.