Guantanamo Bay America's Shame. - Page 3

Bazf · 20-09-2006, 01:03

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Actually, had the author of that altar remark read carefully, I think he might find that I share some of the concerns he initially expressed. Frankly, I wonder if his positions are real or if he is just be trying to provoke controversy.

Nail on head HIT. You may notice BC most of his posts are like that, start a controversy then amazingly change his stance.

JohnW · 20-09-2006, 11:11

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

:engsmil: All I seem to be doing these days is
apologising, but when one is wrong one is wrong, honestly I don't thik i'd like to be in them prisoners shoes.
On a lighter note i'm sure we know each other

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Please check your email.

bullseyebarb · 20-09-2006, 20:57

Spare no tears for these ruthless bastards, who would slit your throat as soon as look at you given half a chance. They are POW's and, as such, should be held in confinement to keep them off the battlefield. Many of those who have been released in the past were later picked up again in combat situations. As these people wear no uniforms and do not fight under the flag of any country, the Geneva Convention should not apply to them.

Those currently held at Camp Gitmo are being treated rather cushily, in my opinion. Good food, top-notch medical and dental care. Top of the line prosthetics for those who need them. Interrogations are highly restricted. There are about 400 POW's down there - with over 1,000 attorneys to represent them. They do not belong in U.S. courtrooms. Military tribunals have always been the norm. But this is now being challenged by the Left.

In the meantime, our military personnel are under constant attack. The Gitmo POW's use all manner of items with which to try and kill them - including parts removed from toilets. Even our doctors must wear full body armor when treating prisoners.

Ianto.W. · 20-09-2006, 21:13

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Spare no tears for these ruthless bastards, who would slit your throat as soon as look at you given half a chance. They are POW's and, as such, should be held in confinement to keep them off the battlefield. Many of those who have been released in the past were later picked up again in combat situations. As these people wear no uniforms and do not fight under the flag of any country, the Geneva Convention should not apply to them.

Those currently held at Camp Gitmo are being treated rather cushily, in my opinion. Good food, top-notch medical and dental care. Top of the line prosthetics for those who need them. Interrogations are highly restricted. There are about 400 POW's down there - with over 1,000 attorneys to represent them. They do not belong in U.S. courtrooms. Military tribunals have always been the norm. But this is now being challenged by the Left.

In the meantime, our military personnel are under constant attack. The Gitmo POW's use all manner of items with which to try and kill them - including parts removed from toilets. Even our doctors must wear full body armor when treating prisoners.

I agree with you, but you have the
great American constitution? One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, remember the history of the war of independence.

Billcat · 21-09-2006, 17:04

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Military tribunals have always been the norm. But this is now being challenged by the Left.

Not to mention a Supreme Court dominated by Republican appointees.

Ianto.W. · 22-09-2006, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Billcat

Not to mention a Supreme Court dominated by Republican appointees.

:engsmil: None of our Friends has had the courtesey of giving my last question an answer, what about the Great Constitution the Yanks set so much store by, all men are equal, and so on.
Internment does not work, torture does not work , as the British Government found out with the IRA, it only hardens the resolve of the
'terrorist'. Diplock Courts Long Kesh, The Maze did not deter the IRA, it just fueled their resolve. Put them on trial or let them go, your CIA machine should be capable of finding them, after all they always get their man, or so were lead to believe.

Billcat · 22-09-2006, 21:54

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

:engsmil: None of our Friends has had the courtesey of giving my last question an answer, what about the Great Constitution the Yanks set so much store by, all men are equal, and so on.
Internment does not work, torture does not work , as the British Government found out with the IRA, it only hardens the resolve of the
'terrorist'. Diplock Courts Long Kesh, The Maze did not deter the IRA, it just fueled their resolve. Put them on trial or let them go, your CIA machine should be capable of finding them, after all they always get their man, or so were lead to believe.

Always get their man? Wasn't that the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police)? Oh, well......

You raise some good points. Perhaps I can simplify. When you treat people with disrespect, when you treat them as less than fully human, it doesn't work. Deciding that you won't talk to other countries doesn't work, either - witness the recent war of words with Iran, or the 40-year-plus attempt by the USA to bring down Fidel Castro. While the Cuban economy is a wreck, Castro is still in power and likely to remain so for life. Treat a a person or country with scorn and it is likely you will get the same in return. Same goes for respect!

Ianto.W. · 23-09-2006, 01:25

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Originally Posted by Billcat

Always get their man? Wasn't that the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police)? Oh, well......

You raise some good points. Perhaps I can simplify. When you treat people with disrespect, when you treat them as less than fully human, it doesn't work. Deciding that you won't talk to other countries doesn't work, either - witness the recent war of words with Iran, or the 40-year-plus attempt by the USA to bring down Fidel Castro. While the Cuban economy is a wreck, Castro is still in power and likely to remain so for life. Treat a a person or country with scorn and it is likely you will get the same in return. Same goes for respect!

Thank you for your kind remarks Billcat, I think with benefit of hindsight Tony Blair & Dubya Bush would have gone down another road, but it's to late now the die is cast, unfortunatley they will be remembered for the folly of Iraq, not for the good things they undoubtably did.

steeljack · 23-09-2006, 03:30

Billcat ......I've allways found it easy to get a rise out of my fellow Americans when I mention that Fidel Castro is on his 5th Pope and 10th U S President,
a bit like Keith Richards .....he will out-live us all

Billcat · 23-09-2006, 14:54

Fidel? Keith Richards? Onstage Live!

Frankly, the current strategy has been pretty unproductive. Wastes a pot of money, fails to produce much in the way of useful results.

Wasn't there a quote from Einstein that went something like, "A working definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting diffferent results?" Pretty sage observation.

I'm enough younger than Fidel that I expect to outlive him, but I really wonder what sort of mess will occur once he's gone. Too bad, really, for the people of Cuba who are the real victims of this diplomatic impasse. Too bad, also, for we Americans - we've wasted so much money already and will probably waste more. That same money, constructively used, could've produced some really positive results here at home, in Cuba, or elsewhere.

slinky · 23-09-2006, 23:16

Christmas pressie here for everyone!!!! :-)

Ianto.W. · 23-09-2006, 23:36

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Christmas pressie here for everyone!!!! :-)

Do you know slinky sex in the kitchen is a capital offence in America, a necrophilic sailor, when
confronted by the charge of making love to a dead woman, pleaded "I thought it was a yanky woman, not guilty my son.

slinky · 23-09-2006, 23:49

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

Do you know slinky sex in the kitchen is a capital offence in America, a necrophilic sailor, when
confronted by the charge of making love to a dead woman, pleaded "I thought it was a yanky woman, not guilty my son.

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