Gun Control - Page 5

Neil · 24-07-2012, 00:04

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Well they tried a total ban on handguns in this country over 12 years ago, what good it did I don't know, certainly wouldn't have deterred the criminal, but it did stop genuine shooting enthusiasts from carrying on with the sport, so much so that the British Pistol Shooting Team had to practice in France, while the gangs still carried on shooting each other on the street with great regularity

Its laughable that the government have allowed pistol shooting to go ahead at the London 2012 Olympic when the handguns they will be using are illegal in the UK.

If hand guns are so bad they have been made illegal we should not be holding shooting competitions in this country.

kestrelx · 24-07-2012, 00:26

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Originally Posted by susie123

1987 Hungerford 16 deaths
1996 Dunblane 17 deaths, 16 of them children, making this a more emotional subject
2010 Cumbria 12 deaths

In all three cases the gunman committed suicide. These crimes span a period of 25 years. Dr Harold Shipman killed over 200 people over his working life of 20 odd years and killed himself in prison. Has anyone any good ideas as to how we could prevent or legislate for such occurrences??

Breivik in Norway shot and killed 69 people where gun laws appear to be very stringent.

Sensible article here about gun laws, especially the part about teaching children to shoot.
Shotguns aren't the problem – criminals are - Telegraph

The Hungerford guy had guns for hunting and was also a gun club member. I think after he went beserk they changed the law and no longer allowed pump action shotguns that shot more than 2 cartridges - well they reduced the amount of cartridges to be allowed in a shotgun. Dunblane guy had them for what purpose - what purpose does a man in Scotland have 4 handguns for legal use? They reckon he was a paedophile who was about to be rumbled for indecent activities. Breivik was also a farmer who had guns for hunting, held legally as he was seen to be a sound guy before he "flipped!" Derek Bird the Cumbrian killer also had his guns legally for hunting. Then there was Raol Moat???

So all these people had guns legally for legit use and blew a fuse and turned them on people. The GP Harold Shipman was an exception to the rule, he didn't use guns he used medicine - there has only been one of them in the time there have been 4 using guns!

Neil · 24-07-2012, 01:08

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

The Hungerford guy had guns for hunting and was also a gun club member. I think after he went beserk they changed the law and no longer allowed pump action shotguns that shot more than 2 cartridges - well they reduced the amount of cartridges to be allowed in a shotgun. Dunblane guy had them for what purpose - what purpose does a man in Scotland have 4 handguns for legal use? They reckon he was a paedophile who was about to be rumbled for indecent activities. Breivik was also a farmer who had guns for hunting, held legally as he was seen to be a sound guy before he "flipped!" Derek Bird the Cumbrian killer also had his guns legally for hunting. Then there was Raol Moat???

So all these people had guns legally for legit use and blew a fuse and turned them on people. The GP Harold Shipman was an exception to the rule, he didn't use guns he used medicine - there has only been one of them in the time there have been 4 using guns!

If I was not a moderator I would tell you that you talk out of your backside.
I am so I wont

kestrelx · 24-07-2012, 01:29

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Originally Posted by Neil

If I was not a moderator I would tell you that you talk out of your backside.
I am so I wont

Don't come that pal - I summerised the facts about these folks.

Since 1987 4 mad men killed with legally owned guns! Only 1 GP killed patients as the post I replied to mentioned Shipmen. There have also been several killings with illegal weapons by criminals - namely Rauol Moat who shot a policeman and two thugs in a shop in London who shot and maimed a school girl.

In 1988 after Hungerford law was changed banning semi auto handguns and pump action shotguns holding more than 3 rounds ( I said 2) bla Bla!

So why the insults? You talk at your backside sir!

susie123 · 24-07-2012, 08:13

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Don't come that pal - I summerised the facts about these folks.

Since 1987 4 mad men killed with legally owned guns! Only 1 GP killed patients as the post I replied to mentioned Shipmen.

My only point Kes in mentioning Shipman was that he alone killed far more people than those gunmen put together.

susie123 · 24-07-2012, 08:17

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

I just think it could lead someone to mental illness to keep believing that everything on the news is lies and made up of actors put there by some "secret organisation" who are doing this.

Oh yes indeed. Leading to more nutters who might pick up a gun and start massacring. That is truly scary.

jaysay · 24-07-2012, 08:41

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Originally Posted by Neil

Its laughable that the government have allowed pistol shooting to go ahead at the London 2012 Olympic when the handguns they will be using are illegal in the UK.

If hand guns are so bad they have been made illegal we should not be holding shooting competitions in this country.

Well you have a point, seeing that the pistol shooting team at the 2000 Olympics had to practice in France, think it must be bending the rules just to suit the occasion

jaysay · 24-07-2012, 08:45

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Originally Posted by Neil

If I was not a moderator I would tell you that you talk out of your backside.
I am so I wont

One thing I've always noticed about moderators they have a way with words, well some of um do

kestrelx · 24-07-2012, 08:47

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Well you have a point, seeing that the pistol shooting team at the 2000 Olympics had to practice in France, think it must be bending the rules just to suit the occasion

Funny that I was just looking at replying to this post but didn't then you did - so we was both looking at it at the same time!

Course they have to bend the rules and the chances of something going wrong are virtually nil!

jaysay · 24-07-2012, 09:03

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Funny that I was just looking at replying to this post but didn't then you did - so we was both looking at it at the same time!

Course they have to bend the rules and the chances of something going wrong are virtually nil!

Na they tend to be pretty good shots these people, no spare rounds flying about

Eric · 24-07-2012, 21:21

And this is how Americans respond to Aurora:

Gun control losing support in U.S. despite mass shootings - World - CBC News

I think there are more than a few yanks who think killing people is ok, and a great way to solve problems (and get access to oil

). It's not only the nutbars, it's much of Middle America and lotsa places south of the Mason-Dixon line. There's definitely a gun culture down there. Guns are great for solving problems. Even personal and mental problems. Get fired? No problem. Grab a gun. If you don't have one call in at the local gun store (usually next to the liquor store

), buy one and drop into your old workplace. Waste a bunch of people.

Then you can either kill yourself, or get arrested and watch yourself on tv for a week or two.

kestrelx · 24-07-2012, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Eric

And this is how Americans respond to Aurora:

Gun control losing support in U.S. despite mass shootings - World - CBC News

I think there are more than a few yanks who think killing people is ok, and a great way to solve problems (and get access to oil

). It's not only the nutbars, it's much of Middle America and lotsa places south of the Mason-Dixon line. There's definitely a gun culture down there. Guns are great for solving problems. Even personal and mental problems. Get fired? No problem. Grab a gun. If you don't have one call in at the local gun store (usually next to the liquor store

), buy one and drop into your old workplace. Waste a bunch of people.

Then you can either kill yourself, or get arrested and watch yourself on tv for a week or two.

Well said Eric agree with what you are saying. America is a country of contradictions - most Christian country in the Western Hemisphere yet simultaneously love their guns which are designed to kill people.

Also since the Aurora shooting gun sales in Colorado have gone up - 25%!

Texoma Gun Sales Up After Colorado Shootings - KTEN.com - No One Gets You Closer

MargaretR · 24-07-2012, 21:44

I suppose they may well be thinking "If a person in that audience had been armed, he would have been 'downed' after the first shot".

When people feel threatened and are placed in fear mode, they decide to provide themselves with some sort of defence.

susie123 · 24-07-2012, 21:46

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

I suppose they may well be thinking "If a person in that audience had been armed, he would have been 'downed' after the first shot".

When people feel threatened and are placed in fear mode, they decide to provide themselves with some sort of defence.

Yes but even in the States I'm not sure most people would take their guns to the cinema.

MargaretR · 24-07-2012, 21:52

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Originally Posted by susie123

Yes but even in the States I'm not sure most people would take their guns to the cinema.

They may do now