Hacker loses extradition battle

[Neil]

Originally Posted by emamum

he probably didnt even realise he shouldnt do it.

Unfortunately for him that is no excuse for breaking the law. If he does not know what he can and can not do ( or is not capable of knowing ) he should have been supervised better.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Neil

Unfortunately for him that is no excuse for breaking the law. If he does not know what he can and can not do ( or is not capable of knowing ) he should have been supervised better.

too damn right unless hes like rain man he shoulda known better

maybe i shoudl rob a bank and claim it was my athletes foot that made me not know i was doing wrong pmsl

[shillelagh]

he knew what he was doing was wrong ... he has admitted that. So basically he knew what he was doing was wrong. So he should be punished. The offence was committed in America .. the UK was where he was .. but the US is where the computers he hacked into are. So he should be tried in America ...

Aspergers, by the way emamum, does not excuse anyone for not being tried for any offences they do. I know this. You are saying that because he has aspergers he shouldnt be extradited to the US for trial for something he knows he was doing was wrong. Yes i know the autistic spectrum ...how far it goes ... and surely so does everyone else who has made this decision. Its just his mum doesnt want to see him go to America end up in jail and she wouldnt be able to visit him. She wants him to be tried over here .. on a lesser charge ... and hopefully with all the press coverage .. get a lesser sentence if found guilty and she would be able to visit him.

This has put everyones perception of aspergers back 10 years ..

[emamum]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

he knew what he was doing was wrong ... he has admitted that. So basically he knew what he was doing was wrong. So he should be punished. The offence was committed in America .. the UK was where he was .. but the US is where the computers he hacked into are. So he should be tried in America ...

Aspergers, by the way emamum, does not excuse anyone for not being tried for any offences they do. I know this. You are saying that because he has aspergers he shouldnt be extradited to the US for trial for something he knows he was doing was wrong. Yes i know the autistic spectrum ...how far it goes ... and surely so does everyone else who has made this decision. Its just his mum doesnt want to see him go to America end up in jail and she wouldnt be able to visit him. She wants him to be tried over here .. on a lesser charge ... and hopefully with all the press coverage .. get a lesser sentence if found guilty and she would be able to visit him.

This has put everyones perception of aspergers back 10 years ..

no it hasnt its brought into the publics eye, aspergers seems to be seen as a made up illness for mother of badly behaved children to hide behind and it isnt this will show people its real...

i was under the impression he didnt know what e had done was wrong... if he didnt have the capability to understand that then he shouldnt stand trial..

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by emamum

no it hasnt its brought into the publics eye, aspergers seems to be seen as a made up illness for mother of badly behaved children to hide behind and it isnt this will show people its real...

i was under the impression he didnt know what e had done was wrong... if he didnt have the capability to understand that then he shouldnt stand trial..

well next time read the information about the case first before jumping in.

Glasgow-born Mr McKinnon has always admitted hacking into the computer systems in 2001-2

from BBC NEWS | UK | Hacker step closer to extradition


it has brought aspergers back into the public eye .. and that some people who have the condition will think if he can fight this and win and stay in this country instead of going to us and possibly having to face jail time .. i'll use this in court .. and see if i can get a lower jail term or community service or even get away with it. And people who dont have this condition will see another person getting away with it .. and then complain ...

I will admit i know some kids who do have this and whose parents have had a tough time with trying to control their children .. but also there are some kids who are just badly behaved and their parents are using this as an excuse for their kids .. and collecting the benefits to go with it ...

[Mancie]

The worry I have is that this bloke is likely to be found guilty and sentenced as a potential terrorist, the bloke has broken the law in both countries but to bang him up for years would "not be cricket"

[MargaretR]

....and what he was looking for should never have been a secret in the first place

[Neil]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

....and what he was looking for should never have been a secret in the first place

Lots of things need to be kept secret.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

.. but also there are some kids who are just badly behaved and their parents are using this as an excuse for their kids .. and collecting the benefits to go with it ...

What benefits would you get for having a child with this and why?

[emamum]

you get disability and carers, if you apply for it (which i havent btw), your child needs to be diagnosed with aspergers, its adhd you dont need a diagnosis and can apply for benefits with a badly behaved child.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by emamum

you get disability and carers, if you apply for it (which i havent btw), your child needs to be diagnosed with aspergers, its adhd you dont need a diagnosis and can apply for benefits with a badly behaved child.

Why do you get money for looking after your own children? Is that not why we are parents?

I can understand money assistance if your child is needs special equipment to help lead a normal life or you need help because the child has other special needs.

And I really am opposed to getting money without being diagnosed, that sounds ridiculous and completely open to abuse. If people do need financial support to help with such a condition (and in some cases they might) it should be on a case by case diagnosis not just a hand out.

Am I missing the point here?

[emamum]

you get disability because your child needs extra care. adhd is hard to diagnose, you could have a report from an educational psychologist to back you up but thats not a proper diagnosis. on the forms you describe how your child is and what extra care you think they need and someone makes a decision for you. i was given all the forms but i never sent them back, he isnt disabled.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

well next time read the information about the case first before jumping in.

Glasgow-born Mr McKinnon has always admitted hacking into the computer systems in 2001-2

from BBC NEWS | UK | Hacker step closer to extradition

Aspergers manifests itself in many ways, one of which causes the sufferer to be 'amoral'....wherein he knows right from wrong but his brain cannot recognise the reasoning behind it and his flawed logic therefore dictates he ignores the distinction. Another variation causes OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) which is probably the reason behind his questing for 'hidden' UFO information.

Neil has it right, its the lack of supervision that has caused this, the wrong person is on trial, but how many of you know exactly which websites your son/daughter have visited recently, (you really think they cant get around the parental controls )

Oh and for the joker who quoted 'rain man'...that single film did more to harm the understanding of autism/aspergers than anything I can think of.

The argument here however is not the that he has Aspergers, but that the US has a one sided treaty that allows them to extradite from the UK without trial but denies the UK the right to extradite from the US without trial.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by emamum

you get disability because your child needs extra care. adhd is hard to diagnose, you could have a report from an educational psychologist to back you up but thats not a proper diagnosis. on the forms you describe how your child is and what extra care you think they need and someone makes a decision for you. i was given all the forms but i never sent them back, he isnt disabled.

I am not being ignorant here, well I suppose I am because I don't know, what extra care does the child need that the money will pay for?

I do not agree to just filling out forms, a formal diagnosis should be required from a fully qualified Doctor. Anyone can lie on a form if proof is not needed.

[accyman]

neil theres loads of kids labeled aspergers or adhd that are just simply bratts brought up by parents who have no control or desire to dicipline their child or children, one lad on my street laughs at how his solicitor utters the word aspergers and minimum punishment is handed down to him from teh police or court where he attends on a regular basis, there are some genuine cases of apsergers and adhd but there seems to be an epedemic of it since it came out you can claim carers allowance for it so you get the doctors flooded with bad parents demanding their child be diagnosed with aspergers ruining it for those genuine parents who are at their wits end and are trying to get help for tehir child .

a child at a school local to accrington put a sharpened object to my sons throat and threatened to cut it not too long ago and the school wasnt going to take any action apart from having a word with him because he was " special needs" and it wasnt until i threatened to involve teh police that he was suspended for a week then had to do his lessons in solitary for a week when he returned from suspension

if my son had done it to somone or anyone elses child had commited this offence they would have been expelled and if a child is that much danger to other children they shoudl be isolated and taught in a different school that can cater for knife attacks