Hacker loses extradition battle

Mancie · 27-11-2009, 02:39

Is this right?..this bloke gets sent to the USA to stand trail for computer hacking..for myself I reckon it is a bad use of the treaty we signed with the USA.
Hacker loses extradition battle - MSN News - MSN UK

Eric · 27-11-2009, 02:52

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Is this right?..this bloke gets sent to the USA to stand trail for computer hacking..for myself I reckon it is a bad use of the treaty we signed with the USA.
Hacker loses extradition battle - Â*MSN News - MSN UK

You are dead right on this one. The US, by the way, will not allow any of its citizens to be extradited. And this is what you get for being their only real friend in the world. When you bend over forwards to accomodate the US, guess what happens

SPUGGIE J · 27-11-2009, 05:51

Heads you lose tails you lose. They shaft you all ways whether friend or foe. The US will only sign treaties if its to their advantage only and this is a case in point. If a guy like this can get in then what would/could a serious pro do?

Mancie · 27-11-2009, 06:09

I agree with Eric and Spuggie.. but at the same time we have that mad monk no hands hansa awaiting a trip to the USA ... were do we draw the line?..is it yeh or nay on extradition ?

steeljack · 27-11-2009, 07:35

What I don't understand is why all these folks like Abu Hamza have all these appeals , used to be every immigration office/border control station all over the world had a big red rubber stamp saying "PNG" (persona non grata) ....and you were kicked out , have a couple myself in old passports from when I "crossed" a border without the bother of using the customs/immigration posts , just got escorted back to the country I had entered from .
Same thing happens all the time at airports all over the world , if you can't show proof of a return ticket , sufficent funds or entry visa you are denied entry , so why is the UK so easy ?

Maybe the local MP can explain now he is retiring and has no reason to follow the party line

cashman · 27-11-2009, 09:34

Extradition should be the case fer "All" criminals from whichever country in my view, but a treaty which favours one country is not acceptable, as well as this hacker, the clowns that signed it on our behalf should be brought to book in my view.

but i'm dreaming again.

Eric · 27-11-2009, 18:56

You can stand up to the US ... many upstanding Canadian citizens came here as draft dodgers and deserters in the Viet Nam War.

Margaret Pilkington · 27-11-2009, 19:14

No, it isn't right........the chap should be given a medal.....he had no ulterior motive for getting into the US files, and he showed up a weakness in their security system.

The problem is that the politicians in this country are so 'cosied up' to the US, that they don't want to do anything that might just alter that position.......and bu88er the rights of the British populace.

Eric · 27-11-2009, 19:24

Let's just have a look at how the US does things. In 2005, Venzuala was seeking the extradition of one Luis Posada Carriles to face charges for the bombing of a Cubana airliner, killing, I believe, 73 people. The charges were quite credible; however, after he had escaped from a Venezualan jail the was hired by US covert operatives to play a role in Washington's terrorist war against Nicaragua. This dilemma was solved when the US courts rejected Venezuala's appeal in direct violation of a US-Venezuala extradition treaty.

Washington rejects or merely ignores extradition requests.

Eric · 27-11-2009, 19:42

Just read this: According to Geoffrey Robertson QC, British human rights lawyer, "to send a British citizen to the US, without any right to bail, to face 10 years in prison for a crime for which he would unlikely to receive any custodial sentence if tried here amounts to 'cruel and unusual punishment' in breach of [your]1689 Bill of Rights." He goes on to say that "The home secretary should not hide behind the weasel words of the European Convention, when he should be following the law laid down by our own historic Bill of Rights." Interesting to see that "Europe" crops up in this one.

Wynonie Harris · 27-11-2009, 20:43

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He goes on to say that "The home secretary should not hide behind the weasel words of the European Convention, when he should be following the law laid down by our own historic Bill of Rights." Interesting to see that "Europe" crops up in this one.

It crops up everywhere in the governance of this country, Eric. Unfortunately, a lot on here won't admit it.

SPUGGIE J · 27-11-2009, 21:22

He is being used as a scapegoat because the computer system they had was vunerable and they cant admit that.

accyman · 30-11-2009, 10:49

the guy shouldnt have hacked the system and should be tried under UK law as the crime was commited in the UK i assume

saying that if he was a better hacker he woudlnt have left a trail leading back to him so it serves himself right

as for extroditing him will this lead to peopel been extrodited for speeding fines they have aquired in the u.s.a because i can think of two peopel who have recieved letters from teh u.s.a asking them to go back and appear in court for speeding lol

Neil · 30-11-2009, 11:30

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as for extroditing him will this lead to peopel been extrodited for speeding fines they have aquired in the u.s.a because i can think of two peopel who have recieved letters from teh u.s.a asking them to go back and appear in court for speeding lol

Could be a way to get a cheap holiday. Do they pay for the flights both way? I am sure you would get bail for only a speeding ticket and US trials can take months

emamum · 30-11-2009, 14:46

he has aspergers he shouldnt be sent there... he wasnt 'hacking' in the sense of wanting to go in and do something bad, he wanted to look at it because he was interested, theres a difference. people with aspergers display obsessive behviour and have difficulty controlling their actions and also porr social skills, depending on where he is on the autistic spectrum he probably didnt even realise he shouldnt do it.