Hang em high!

[mickmc]

Lettie

so you'd do it right away

would you say that if the people listed below were your loved ones or friends

these are just a few innocent men hanged

nothings perfect but a waiting time is a must - and I think in our times of ever improving forensic investigations - I doubt that many mistakes would be made, but it would be a tragedy if sufficient time was not given for new evidence to emerge



James Hanratty

Derek Bentley

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,38...103690,00.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlConte...25/nhan25.html

[shakermaker]

I cant believe some of these comments!!!
I cant believe that any sane person would 'even up' a crime with death - its barbaric and insane - we're SUPPOSED to be a civilised society!
I propose that life inprisonment should be life - no death penalty - as surely life inprisonment is much more punishment than being executed?!

[chav1]

ime pretty sure the parents of a baby that was raped before it was killed will disagree with you on that one m8

[lettie]

[quote=mickmc]Lettie

so you'd do it right away

would you say that if the people listed below were your loved ones or friends


I believe that I posted that if it was unanimous then yes I would prefer that it was swift.... that does not mean immediate.
We would all love to believe that our friends and loved ones are innocent, that they could never do any wrong. It is the my child, my mum, my dad, my wife etc would never do that attitude, when we all know what people are capable of. Bear in mind that Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, Myra Hindley were somebody's children/loved ones, but they were still guilty.

[shakermaker]

i doubt they would disagree, 'chav'; if you were the parent - wouldnt you rather have the culprit suffer for the rest of his life in prison than giving him/her the easy way out?

[lettie]

Originally Posted by shakermaker

i doubt they would disagree, 'chav'; if you were the parent - wouldnt you rather have the culprit suffer for the rest of his life in prison than giving him/her the easy way out?

That's the problem though isn't it? Prison can hardly be seen as suffering these days. Prisoners are allowed to study, watch tv, exercise, have 3 square meals a day and a place to sleep. There are millions of innocent people in this world who cannot claim to have those luxuries.

[shakermaker]

well in light of that comment, lettie; i propose that these 'lifers' are sent to maximum security hospitals for the mentally ill - as i know for a fact that these places are hardly welcoming.
and you MUST be wrong in the head to kill another person!!

[Acrylic-bob]

Shakermaker, mate. You are young and presumably not so stupid or so proud to admit that, like many of us here, you still have much to learn about the world and the people who live in it.

Before you become too fixed in your views on this issue, why not take the time to review the transcripts of the trails of Brady and Hindley and Peter Sutcliffe, perhaps even Rosemary and Fred West too. And then when you have done that, put your hand on your heart and tell us that you still believe it is wrong to impose the ultimate sanction on murderers.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I am sick of hearing criminals talked about as if they were the victims......and victims treated as though they were the criminal. The criminal suspends his own human rights by indulging in criminal activity. Prison would be a deterrent if it was not such a cushy life. Personally I would transport the criminals to some uninhabited island and leave them with enough food for a week...if they could build their own shelter and survive.....then good on 'em.....if they couldn't it would be natural justice done without anyone having to soil their hands to do the deed. Prisons do not remove liberty anymore....prisoners can read, study.....do a degree.....I can't do that and I am supposed to be free...they get three meals a day....their welfare is looked after. Some pensioners would like to be treated in this manner.

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Shakermaker, mate. You are young and presumably not so stupid or so proud to admit that, like many of us here, you still have much to learn about the world and the people who live in it.

Before you become too fixed in your views on this issue, why not take the time to review the transcripts of the trails of Brady and Hindley and Peter Sutcliffe, perhaps even Rosemary and Fred West too. And then when you have done that, put your hand on your heart and tell us that you still believe it is wrong to impose the ultimate sanction on murderers.

Look i know i dont have the life experience to deem what is the 'right thing to do' in circumstances such as the ones you have hilighted, but that does not mean i cannot have a valid opinion on this issue.
I have read the details of individual cases before; and I still hold the opinion that The Death Penalty is wrong.
I do think that prisons are more like holiday camps nowadays and are more like a child being sent to the 'naughty chair' for doing something wrong...which is disgraceful.
I believe society has become way too soft on criminals nowadays but the death penalty is too far in my opinion.
You cant give a wrongly convicted murderer a pardon can you?......the justice system is too prone to human error.

[Margaret Pilkington]

We have come a long way in the field of Forensic Science - currently DNA is being used to bring very old crimes to a close.....so I think human error is far less likely. I would, however always be a bit afraid of corrupt officials.

[shakermaker]

[quote=Margaret Pilkington].....so I think human error is far less likely.[quote]

less likely? so error would obviously still happen! if forensic science could get everything 100% right then i might take a different view on this issue - but that isnt going to happen any time soon is it.

[buttonsmum]

I agree with it but only if they are 100% sure that they are guilty. As Willow said earlier there is always that nagging doubt of miscarriage of justice.

[katex]

Although I voted a definite 'No' to the death penalty, your opinions are always taken on board and give pause for thought. If somebody had hurt one of my children, I have no doubt that I would take the earliest opportunity to ring them around the neck, draw out their innards and roast them with stuffing for dinner HOWEVER .. there is a little of the knitters at the side of the guillotine during the revolution in France coming through here, enjoyment of the execution of another human being, so who is being honest ?
Theory was, that by keeping murderers in jail, phychologists could do their studies and assess exactly what makes the human brain commit such terrible atrocities.. I would like to believe this.
Getting back to the original thread re: the policewoman, yes, I believe that they are the priority in the punishment of murder 'cause this is the force we have elected to protect us all and if abusers of law shoot the uniform, then where do we go from here ?

[mickmc]

so you're all swinging over my way huh

nothings perfect (forensics etc) but give it a while you never know - 10 yrs should give everybody enough time - if the evidence is there we should have it by then plus the actual science will have improved in those 10 yrs

and who are we to improve on the 'almighty' - even he admitted "an eye for an eye"

don't want to be cruel to no-one - if the criminal (aka scum) admits his crime and wants to accept his punishment immediately, then go ahead - do it right away

otherwise give him 10 yrs to think about it

and the expense - well -- i've no doubt some of my hard earned cash went into things like the chanel tunnel or the dome and I ain't used them either

as for watching tv or studying for a degree - whats the point when you'll never get the chance to use the degree - and TV - just think - you'll never see the end of the DFS sale................