Hanging

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Oh ya great, keeping Ian Huntley behind bars is costing £1 million per year, he has every luxury he wants three square a day, the warders call him either Sir or Mr Huntley, life's a dream, now if the git was breaking rocks 10 hours a day and locked in his cell for the other 14 without any toys or TV on bread and water, then ya okay that would be fine, but in britain's butlins holiday camp prisons, punishment, don't make me laugh my lips are chapped

I'm not saying they should have luxury's, I think they should take them away and make them think about what deeds they did to get them in there! Giving them TV and other luxury's just helps them take their mind off what they have done. However even with toys living in a cell would still make him think about what he'd done to some degree. But I don't know what medications they give him to help him cope - perhaps he is given tranqulizers on a daily basis or something?

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The influence comes from the yardie gangs from the caribbean, every been down peckham south London

Yardie gangs partly and also that links in with American Hip- Hop Gang culture - baggy jeans, puffa jackets and base-ball caps - they are all singing from the same rap sheet!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

I'm not saying they should have luxury's, I think they should take them away and make them think about what deeds they did to get them in there! Giving them TV and other luxury's just helps them take their mind off what they have done. However even with toys living in a cell would still make him think about what he'd done to some degree. But I don't know what medications they give him to help him cope - perhaps he is given tranqulizers on a daily basis or something?

Ya sadly though the two little girls that Huntley murdered, will never get time to reflect on anything, just their parents missing their children and grandchildren growing up

[Eric]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Yardie gangs partly and also that links in with American Hip- Hop Gang culture - baggy jeans, puffa jackets and base-ball caps - they are all singing from the same rap sheet!

I've been giving some thought to this ... you posed the question earlier. I don't know if I can see a correspondence, but the American media is a powerful institution. (I almost said "American culture", that's a nice oxymoron) I think one could argue that the American media is a weapon of mass destruction, insinuating itself into every part of the planet. The more-or-less glamorization of the gang culture makes it attractive to young people all over the world. The trivialization of crime ... it becomes a plot line ... and its sanitization and realistic presentation make it attractive. The fad of reality shows seems to be convincing people that what they see on TV is real, rather than merely realistic. In some ways the US media creates its own realities: they lose the war in Viet Nam, but they win the same war in Hollywood (with a little help from Stalone) I don't believe it is the intention of the script writers to make crime attractive, but impressionable youth might see it that way. I don't believe that musicians mean to foment violence, but that seems to be what happens. Problem is, victims of movie portrayals of drive by shooting get up, grab a coffee, take their pay cheque and go home. In real life, they end up on a slab; and numerous lives are ruined in the process.

[walkinman221]

In time, the convicted murderer will adjust to their incarceration and find within its limitations, time when they feel joy, times when they laugh, talk to their family, etc., but as the victim, no more are such opportunities available to them. Those that are pro death penalty feel it is society’s responsibility to step in and be the voice of the victim and determine what is a just punishment, for the victim not the criminal.

Think of the phrase itself, "life sentence." Does the victim get a "life sentence"? The victim is dead. To serve justice, that person who ended their life should have to pay with their own in order for the scale of justice to remain in balance.

Opponents of capital punishment say, capital punishment is barbaric and cruel and has no place in a civilized society. It denies an individual of due process by imposing irrevocable punishment on them and depriving them from ever benefiting from new technology that may provide later evidence of their innocence.
Murder in any form, by any person, shows a lack of respect for human life. For victims of murder, sparing the life of their killer is the truest form of justice that can be given to them. Opponents of the death penalty feel to kill as a way to "even out" the crime would only justify the act itself. This position is not taken out of sympathy to the convicted murderer but out of respect for his victim in demonstrating that all human life should be of value.My standing on what is a very emotive issue is that if there is no doubt capital punishment should be implemented, our justice system as it stands seems to be weighed very much in favour of the perpetrators of crime and not the victim.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

In time, the convicted murderer will adjust to their incarceration and find within its limitations, time when they feel joy, times when they laugh, talk to their family, etc., but as the victim, no more are such opportunities available to them. Those that are pro death penalty feel it is society’s responsibility to step in and be the voice of the victim and determine what is a just punishment, for the victim not the criminal.

Think of the phrase itself, "life sentence." Does the victim get a "life sentence"? The victim is dead. To serve justice, that person who ended their life should have to pay with their own in order for the scale of justice to remain in balance.

Opponents of capital punishment say, capital punishment is barbaric and cruel and has no place in a civilized society. It denies an individual of due process by imposing irrevocable punishment on them and depriving them from ever benefiting from new technology that may provide later evidence of their innocence.
Murder in any form, by any person, shows a lack of respect for human life. For victims of murder, sparing the life of their killer is the truest form of justice that can be given to them. Opponents of the death penalty feel to kill as a way to "even out" the crime would only justify the act itself. This position is not taken out of sympathy to the convicted murderer but out of respect for his victim in demonstrating that all human life should be of value.My standing on what is a very emotive issue is that if there is no doubt capital punishment should be implemented, our justice system as it stands seems to be weighed very much in favour of the perpetrators of crime and not the victim.

Great Post Dave, hit the nail on the head really

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Eric

I've been giving some thought to this ... you posed the question earlier. I don't know if I can see a correspondence, but the American media is a powerful institution. (I almost said "American culture", that's a nice oxymoron) I think one could argue that the American media is a weapon of mass destruction, insinuating itself into every part of the planet. The more-or-less glamorization of the gang culture makes it attractive to young people all over the world. The trivialization of crime ... it becomes a plot line ... and its sanitization and realistic presentation make it attractive. The fad of reality shows seems to be convincing people that what they see on TV is real, rather than merely realistic. In some ways the US media creates its own realities: they lose the war in Viet Nam, but they win the same war in Hollywood (with a little help from Stalone) I don't believe it is the intention of the script writers to make crime attractive, but impressionable youth might see it that way. I don't believe that musicians mean to foment violence, but that seems to be what happens. Problem is, victims of movie portrayals of drive by shooting get up, grab a coffee, take their pay cheque and go home. In real life, they end up on a slab; and numerous lives are ruined in the process.

The Indiana Jones film shown last night had so much "harmless" violence in it that gives the wrong idea to kids - like people getting punched in the face repeatedly and no effect, that gives the wrong impression and must have an effect on how kids see violence ; obviously??? There was a time when kids didn't see violence on TV so readily and it really was all after 9pm - yes Hollywood is misleading. I saw a early episode of "Shameless" in which the climax was setting fire to a council house and the whole family celebrating - this is cartoon violence glamorised by Channel 4 and in the light of senseless violence in the riots last August - surely "Shameless" and the rest does influence this kind of behaviour. As well as all the Hollywood propaganda!!!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

The Indiana Jones film shown last night had so much "harmless" violence in it that gives the wrong idea to kids - like people getting punched in the face repeatedly and no effect, that gives the wrong impression and must have an effect on how kids see violence ; obviously??? There was a time when kids didn't see violence on TV so readily and it really was all after 9pm - yes Hollywood is misleading. I saw a early episode of "Shameless" in which the climax was setting fire to a council house and the whole family celebrating - this is cartoon violence glamorised by Channel 4 and in the light of senseless violence in the riots last August - surely "Shameless" and the rest does influence this kind of behaviour. As well as all the Hollywood propaganda!!!

To be honest kestrelx 90% of the stuff on channel 4 is rubbish, for one I've never watched Shameless, the title puts me of for a start, but film and TV do have a lot to answer for with the behaviour in society today

[cashman]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

The Indiana Jones film shown last night had so much "harmless" violence in it that gives the wrong idea to kids - like people getting punched in the face repeatedly and no effect, that gives the wrong impression and must have an effect on how kids see violence ; obviously??? There was a time when kids didn't see violence on TV so readily and it really was all after 9pm - yes Hollywood is misleading. I saw a early episode of "Shameless" in which the climax was setting fire to a council house and the whole family celebrating - this is cartoon violence glamorised by Channel 4 and in the light of senseless violence in the riots last August - surely "Shameless" and the rest does influence this kind of behaviour. As well as all the Hollywood propaganda!!!

Well kestrelx i agree wholeheartedly, T.V. n Film, have much to answer fer,in my book, ah mean some of these knobheads think "Corry" n "Eastenders" are real,n "Rambo" n "Arnie" etc, well they are the men.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Well kestrelx i agree wholeheartedly, T.V. n Film, have much to answer fer,in my book, ah mean some of these knobheads think "Corry" n "Eastenders" are real,n "Rambo" n "Arnie" etc, well they are the men.

If I lived in Wallford, think I'd contemplate a move

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

If I lived in Wallford, think I'd contemplate a move

Thats all though, yer too knackered to flit.

[Wynonie Harris]

So...the two scummers who killed an innocent lad because of the colour of his skin have received minimum sentences of 15 years and 14 years 3 months. The judge said he couldn't give them longer because he was "constrained by Parliament".

THIS is why so many people clamour for a return to capital punishment. Because justice is so obviously not seen to be done in this country...and this is the fault of politicians of all parties who misrule us.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

So...the two scummers who killed an innocent lad because of the colour of his skin have received minimum sentences of 15 years and 14 years 3 months. The judge said he couldn't give them longer because he was "constrained by Parliament".

THIS is why so many people clamour for a return to capital punishment. Because justice is so obviously not seen to be done in this country...and this is the fault of politicians of all parties who misrule us.

Disgraceful, but hardly a shock, the minority of dogooders will always outweigh the majority wyn, simple fact. seems the judge had no choice,cos of their ages when offence was commited.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by cashman

Disgraceful, but hardly a shock, the minority of dogooders will always outweigh the majority wyn, simple fact. seems the judge had no choice,cos of their ages when offence was commited.

Quite right, mate, the judge had no choice. But the reason he had no choice was because of the rules and laws laid down by our politicians.

[Margaret Pilkington]

The judge should beallowed to give two life sentences....to run consecutively...and even that would not be long enough for them.
I hope that when these two do go to Jail, their lives are made miserable by the Afro carribean population in the nick.....I hope one of them grasses up the other chaps who were in this gang of lads, on the night that Stephen Lawrence was murdered too.

They thought they were home free.......no chance of being brought to justice.