Hanging - Page 8

DaveinGermany · 06-01-2012, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

He would be given a minimum of supplies......he would have to build his own shelter and forage for his own food.

Just like to add, along with the rest of the no-marks, they must then labour & farm the land, to create their own food supplies & any surplus could be used to feed elderly & less fortunate on the mainland. It's been done in the past ..... Botany bay, Australia & they've not done to shoddily out of it.

Acrylic-bob · 06-01-2012, 16:56

I have a better idea. Put them all in the army. Keep them away from guns and knives and such until they can be trusted. but every day they would be made to work and work bloody hard. and that way at least the country could see some return on its investment and there might be a chance for them to make something of their lives.

Failing that, well, might as well hang em!

Margaret Pilkington · 06-01-2012, 17:01

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Can I vote for you to be El Presidente' Marg?
Unfortunately even if common sense was availble at Westminster, the bleeding hearts would not let it happen.
Shame really. I do like the island idea, a sort of modern day Devils Island, bit like 'escape from New York'

Goodness, if I were El Presidente, there would have to be some changes made.

It is the 'bleeding hearts' who have wrecked this country....with their liberal ideas......soft treatment of prisoners. I am surprised we are still allowed to call them criminals......I thought they would have been given another less stigmatising name.
For too long the criminals rights have been considered above those of the victims. How can this be right?

Margaret Pilkington · 06-01-2012, 17:05

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

I have a better idea. Put them all in the army. Keep them away from guns and knives and such until they can be trusted. but every day they would be made to work and work bloody hard. and that way at least the country could see some return on its investment and there might be a chance for them to make something of their lives.

Failing that, well, might as well hang em!

I don't think the army is the right place for them. why should the lads who are fighting to defend this country be saddled with the no-counts that fill our jails....many of them do not belong here anyway.

And rather than hanging, why can't we just humanely euthanise them and use their organs for transplant purposes....then at least their lives would not have been totally in vain, and it could be seen as having paid back their debt to society.

Acrylic-bob · 06-01-2012, 17:37

But that is just it, Margaret. The lads and lasses in the forces are fighting to defend our country, from forces without and also within.

I know that Acrylic-senior, who was a Sgt of Artillery, would have relished the opportunity to get someone like Liam on his parade ground. He would have made him suffer in so many ways, all with the best possible intentions. At the end, Liam would have become a credit not only to his regiment and country but to himself. Of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

And the best bit is...no ECHR involvement would be necessary and those scheduled for deportation at the end of their sentence would be delivered smartly and efficiently to the airport in plenty of time to catch their flight, with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed without a lawyer in sight.

Acrylic-bob · 06-01-2012, 17:44

Needless to say, of course, that 'Lifers', in time of conflict, would be most definately in the front line.

jaysay · 06-01-2012, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

All of what you say makes perfect sense, Margaret. And every item on your agenda could be challenged by Lawyers using Human Rights legislation, sucessfully I might add, and all at additional cost to the taxpayer in court time(not cheap), legal fees (definately not cheap), and probably compensation too (least cheap of the three).

Wasn't it Tony Blair who said that signing the European Human Rights Act was the finest thing he had ever done in politics, well it sure as hell made sure his wife could keep dipping her bread in the gravy for many years to come and you never know, when Tons nice little earners run out he can always drag the silks out of the cupboard and join his wife

kestrelx · 07-01-2012, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Needless to say, of course, that 'Lifers', in time of conflict, would be most definately in the front line.

Are you saying that they would have been frontliners by choice? For one they would probably be the biggest cowards! Also that the Kray Twins were deserters from the Army and the Eastend gangster culture was born out of deserters in the 2nd World War who took advantage of the fact most able bodied men were fighting to rob and break into jewellry shops etc as there were very few coppers to protect them.

DaveinGermany · 07-01-2012, 14:37

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Are you saying that they would have been frontliners by choice?

Don't be daft, they'd have been part of a punishment battalion sent to the front to be annihilated by the incoming fire & tripping mines, then the proper Infantry & Armour could come through.

susie123 · 07-01-2012, 14:59

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Don't be daft, they'd have been part of a punishment battalion sent to the front to be annihilated by the incoming fire & tripping mines, then the proper Infantry & Armour could come through.

Any fool could see that!

jaysay · 07-01-2012, 15:09

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Don't be daft, they'd have been part of a punishment battalion sent to the front to be annihilated by the incoming fire & tripping mines, then the proper Infantry & Armour could come through.

Ya cannon folder

cashman · 07-01-2012, 15:14

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Originally Posted by susie123

Any fool could see that!

Kestrelx aint any fool.

kestrelx · 09-01-2012, 15:57

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Don't be daft, they'd have been part of a punishment battalion sent to the front to be annihilated by the incoming fire & tripping mines, then the proper Infantry & Armour could come through.

Maybee in the 1st World War but latter on warfare was a bit more sophisticated and criminals would be a hinderance!

Bit like the Accrington Pals!

DaveinGermany · 09-01-2012, 19:08

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Maybee in the 1st World War but latter on warfare was a bit more sophisticated and criminals would be a hinderance!

I beg to differ :-

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Acrylic-bob · 10-01-2012, 17:21

Just goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun.

But how would the older 'lifers' purge their sin? Or indeed the ones that are so plainly crackers, Ian Bradey et al?