Hanging

claytonx · 28-12-2011, 18:46

Do you think murders would be reduced if the threat of hanging was brought back. I remember life in prison was voted for instead which does not happen.

cashman · 28-12-2011, 18:53

To be honest i reckon if Life was to mean Life it may have more effect? personally i have nowt against topping em.

jaysay · 28-12-2011, 18:59

Well it will never be brought back claytonx, it wouldn't be so bad if murderer WERE sent down for life, I can never understand any judge saying I sentence you to life in prison and you'll serve a minimum of, say, 15 years, utter nonsense, say what you like about the American justice system, they do make the punishment fit the crime, pity we done follow suit here

claytonx · 28-12-2011, 19:13

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Well it will never be brought back claytonx, it wouldn't be so bad if murderer WERE sent down for life, I can never understand any judge saying I sentence you to life in prison and you'll serve a minimum of, say, 15 years, utter nonsense, say what you like about the American justice system, they do make the punishment fit the crime, pity we done follow suit here

You are right we are more concerned with over crowding and costs, possibly if they made them more like a prison than holiday camp we would not have as many small time crooks going back, and more room to make life as you said Life.

Michael1954 · 28-12-2011, 19:16

And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

DaveinGermany · 28-12-2011, 19:21

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Originally Posted by Michael1954

And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

Quicker response than normal from the opposition. My personal views & reasoning on the subject are well documented elsewhere on the site on similar threads.

jaysay · 28-12-2011, 19:30

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Originally Posted by Michael1954

And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

Ya but what cleared him, DNA the same thing that is putting murderers behind bars today, I can't see the rhyme or reason for keeping the likes of Huntley behind bars living the life of Riley, 3 square a day, Sky TV Game Boy, stereo, and that's supposed to be punishment

claytonx · 28-12-2011, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Michael1954

And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

I only said threat: Plenty of appeals no doubt.

Michael1954 · 28-12-2011, 19:38

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya but what cleared him, DNA the same thing that is putting murderers behind bars today, I can't see the rhyme or reason for keeping the likes of Huntley behind bars living the life of Riley, 3 square a day, Sky TV Game Boy, stereo, and that's supposed to be punishment

Yes, but if he had been given the death penalty he would have been hanged long before he was cleared.

Neil · 28-12-2011, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Michael1954

And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

Oops

cashman · 28-12-2011, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Michael1954

And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

Very poor arguement D.N.A. was NOT available when the guy was sent down.

if produced now before sentence - different altogether.

Eric · 28-12-2011, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Michael1954

And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

Somehow, I don't think "sorry, s..t happens" would cut it.

Here's a few more:
Canada's wrongful convictions - Canada - CBC News

And to those, like Jaysay, who admire the American justice system: why don't capital punishment and heavy jail sentences seem to be working

If they did work, the US wouldn't be the crime capital of the "civilized" world.

cashman · 28-12-2011, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Eric

Somehow, I don't think "sorry, s..t happens" would cut it.

Here's a few more:
Canada's wrongful convictions - Canada - CBC News

And to those, like Jaysay, who admire the American justice system: why don't capital punishment and heavy jail sentences seem to be working

If they did work, the US wouldn't be the crime capital of the "civilized" world.

Not too sure about that Eric,

the fact yeh can buy guns like we buy sweets must contribute i reckon?

Eric · 28-12-2011, 20:08

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Originally Posted by claytonx

Do you think murders would be reduced if the threat of hanging was brought back. I remember life in prison was voted for instead which does not happen.

Answer: No.

But you guys must have some form of "real" life in prison. I know we do. The biggest punishment for first degree murder is 25 years before they have a chance to apply for parole. This, of course, doesn't mean they get out of jail after 25 yrs. The parole board can deny parole indefinitely. That seems to equal life to me. ... or at least the possibility of it. And you must have some form of "dangerous offender" status. This means the guy doesn't get out: period.

Eric · 28-12-2011, 20:21

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Not too sure about that Eric,

the fact yeh can buy guns like we buy sweets must contribute i reckon?

Canadians have guns .... lots of them ... I have six. But we don't generally drive around shooting other Canadians. If I felt like it, and had the cash to waste, I could go to the local gun store and buy as many guns as I wanted. All I need is my Firearms Aquisition Certificate. Hand guns and assault rifles, no. But it doesn't take much to cut down a shotgun, or to mickey mouse a semi-automatic so that it fires on full. The difference between the murder rates in Canada and the US can't be explained merely by citing the easier acces to firearms in the US. Detroit, just across the border from Windsor, ON, has more murders than the whole of Canada. Windsor's murder rate is around zero.