Have your say - Page 4

Royboy39 · 20-07-2008, 22:32

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Absolute rubbish, couldn't be further from the truth. It is this present Labour government that made the changes.

Andrew...for god sake get your mind in gear....this is nothing to do with politics...this is what people expect of the local services.
I have been in the back of an ambulance with a blue light and I am here today to tell the tale.
I defend you in a lot of cases but in this case pull your horns in and listen or take notice of what people have to say.

Bonnyboy · 20-07-2008, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

Andrew...for god sake get your mind in gear....this is nothing to do with politics...this is what people expect of the local services.
I have been in the back of an ambulance with a blue light and I am here today to tell the tale.
I defend you in a lot of cases but in this case pull your horns in and listen or take notice of what people have to say.

Well said Roy, was going to post something similar, just not as diplomatic

cashman · 20-07-2008, 22:40

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

Andrew...for god sake get your mind in gear....this is nothing to do with politics...this is what people expect of the local services.
I have been in the back of an ambulance with a blue light and I am here today to tell the tale.
I defend you in a lot of cases but in this case pull your horns in and listen or take notice of what people have to say.

hes incapable.

andrewb · 20-07-2008, 23:22

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

Andrew...for god sake get your mind in gear....this is nothing to do with politics...this is what people expect of the local services.
I have been in the back of an ambulance with a blue light and I am here today to tell the tale.
I defend you in a lot of cases but in this case pull your horns in and listen or take notice of what people have to say.

I'd avoided it until cashman decided to. Perhaps I misunderstood him.

cashman · 20-07-2008, 23:29

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Originally Posted by andrewb

I'd avoided it until cashman decided to. Perhaps I misunderstood him.

typical,if the queen has a baby! BLAME CASHY, was refering to cameron, not someone who will never make it.

andrewb · 20-07-2008, 23:34

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Originally Posted by cashman

right then WHY is this better than retaining the two? if its not further from the truth TELL IT?

I am not saying it is better. I personally went to our MP and lobbied him on behalf of Unison over these issues.

Now that the change has gone ahead I think we should be looking to see if the money that was promised to focus on better equipment, but a hospital further away, delivers a better or worse performance.

cashman · 20-07-2008, 23:40

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Originally Posted by andrewb

I am not saying it is better. I personally went to our MP and lobbied him on behalf of Unison over these issues.

Now that the change has gone ahead I think we should be looking to see if the money that was promised to focus on better equipment, but a hospital further away, delivers a better or worse performance.

ok fine, how many deaths will it take to convince you?

andrewb · 20-07-2008, 23:43

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Originally Posted by cashman

ok fine, how many deaths will it take to convince you?

No life is worth losing, that's why we should be looking at which option saves the most lives. Common sense dictates having an A&E in Burnley would save more, but I have not taken the improvements in ambulances and services at Blackburn into account. Therefore I'd like more information before deciding.

Loz · 20-07-2008, 23:45

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Originally Posted by andrewb

No life is worth losing, that's why we should be looking at which option saves the most lives.

Surely having hospitals closer by would save more lives in the long run?
It's bad enough if you encouter traffic problems going to a local hospital never mind one miles and miles away.

cashman · 20-07-2008, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Loz

Surely having hospitals closer by would save more lives in the long run?
It's bad enough if you encouter traffic problems going to a local hospital never mind one miles and miles away.

its a knocking bet loz,some poor ****** will kop it, whilst people are making their minds up, then they will say bad idea,but it wasn't mine.

andrewb · 21-07-2008, 00:39

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Originally Posted by cashman

its a knocking bet loz,some poor ****** will kop it, whilst people are making their minds up, then they will say bad idea,but it wasn't mine.

Indeed I agreed with you when I lobbied Greg on behalf of Unison. Jack Straw, Kitty Ussher were also among the MP's lobbied.

Now that we have more information because the changes have gone ahead anyway, the sensible part of me says we should look at the further arguments before coming to the same conclusion. Keeping it as it is could be an improvement, or it could be the opposite. I'd rather know which before deciding without facts.

cashman · 21-07-2008, 00:50

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Indeed I agreed with you when I lobbied Greg on behalf of Unison. Jack Straw, Kitty Ussher were also among the MP's lobbied.

Now that we have more information because the changes have gone ahead anyway, the sensible part of me says we should look at the further arguments before coming to the same conclusion. Keeping it as it is could be an improvement, or it could be the opposite. I'd rather know which before deciding without facts.

like i said before how many deaths to convince you? i have done my share of lobbying way back, but only on summat i believed passionatley in, just because "changes have gone ahead anyway" to use your words, that fact does not alter, n i always had the guts to stick with my position in anything i thought serious enough.

andrewb · 21-07-2008, 01:59

If more information was available, I would hope you looked at it. I don't intend to blindly follow my original thoughts without looking at the new information, which might well say more lives are being saved with better equipment. There is no shame in admitting you're wrong if additional evidence comes to light which changes your mind. Something I think a lot of MP's need to learn.

cashman · 21-07-2008, 06:57

well i would not be ashamed if new information came to light saying someone had died through this, if i had changed my mind, i would be DEVASTATED. but then i'm more fer people than figures.

lettie · 21-07-2008, 07:07

I can't believe that this thread has taken off again, and from my original choices on the voting form which we all received, I am dead against the idea of splitting services.

I don't work in A&E, so have no idea of their statistics. All I know is, you can't have an A&E without an Intensive Care Unit. This would mean having to transfer critically ill patients from Burnley A&E to Blackburn ICU if Burnley's A&E was re opened.

The changes were part of the Government's plan to regionalise healthcare, so I believe that the voting form which we were all sent was a waste of time filling in, it was a foregone conclusion. The local PCTs organised the voting, they also wanted to regionalise the care. Any petitions should be lobbying the local PCTs as well as Government.