HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market

[garinda]

Clare, Cllr. Pritchard, rather than logging in to Accy Web, to send p.m.'s, telling off disabled pensioners for what they've said in this thread, why not post here, and tell us all what's on your mind?

That's the fun thing about community websites, and supposedly living in a democracy, you can get things off your chest.

It's good to talk.

You can explain to the whole borough why the benches were removed, and when they're coming back.

Saves you the time and effort of sending individual messages of chastisement, to each and every member who've posted that they think it was a stupid decision.

[Wynonie Harris]

Evening, Bernard, I see you've spared us a few moments from your "fairly intensive job".

Any comments?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Evening, Bernard, I see you've spared us a few moments from your "fairly intensive job".

Any comments?

Yeah, join in the fun.

Cllrs. Moss and Pritchard are bound to to get a nice pat on the head from Graham Jones.

From (momentarily) taking the heat off him, for hypocritically saying one thing on here about a 'democratic' E.U. referendum, then doing another.

Good day to make hay.

While the sun shines.

Forget about those very, very dark clouds on the horizon.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Clare, Cllr. Pritchard, rather than logging in to Accy Web, to send p.m.'s, telling off disabled pensioners for what they've said in this thread, why not post here, and tell us all what's on your mind?

That's the fun thing about community websites, and supposedly living in a democracy, you can get things off your chest.

It's good to talk.

You can explain to the whole borough why the benches were removed, and when they're coming back.

Saves you the time and effort of sending individual messages of chastisement, to each and every member who've posted that they think it was a stupid decision.

Think its press button "B" and get your money back Rindi, you'll not get much change

[garinda]

Strangely, in the past, I used to get loads of giddily excited p.m.'s from all the persons mentioned previously, egging me on.

But I haven't had one for simply ages.

I've just had a weird thought.

Do you think it's because when they messaged me so often before, ripping in to stupid stuff our council did, it was because the council was controlled by another party.



Nah, no one could be that transparent, and fickle.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

...or even the councillors who don't post on here anymore because they've got "fairly intensive jobs" with the council?

...although they still seem to have time to silently slip on here...and just as silently slip away again.

Probably because questions are raised on this forum, answers are given but they don't quite fit with what the questioner thinks and so the questioner implies that facts have never been given in order to justify his own posts.

There are also any number of 'people in the know' and 'sources' who seem very keen to supply their own 'facts' from the safety of the shadows. These people are always believed over anyone who puts their name to an answer and it makes the statements from people in positions of authority completely meaningless. There are much better ways of spending time than giving answers to an internet forum that simply won't listen to what it is being told.

Accyweb wanted answers and it has had them. Truthful, factual, straight from the horse's mouth. However, there is only so many times a straight answer can be given before the novelty of having it spun into something else wears off.

I'm afraid the refusal by certain members to properly read what I have posted has worn me down too.

[garinda]

Personally, for me, this all thing has gone way beyond disillusionment, and turned into utter disgust.

The gentle, kind, hard-working, filled with common sense, principled, socialists, I was lucky enough to know growing up, and who so influenced the person I am today, I know as fact, will be turning in their graves.

If you thought some of the daft things Peter Britcliffe said, and did, inspired scathing and vitriolic attack, you ain't seen nothing yet.

If any Labour party activist dares to knock on my door, in any future election campaigns, be warned, it won't be pretty.

There, you have it. Colours that are firmly anti-Labour, nailed to the mast.

Bring it on.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Probably because questions are raised on this forum, answers are given but they don't quite fit with what the questioner thinks and so the questioner implies that facts have never been given in order to justify his own posts.

There are also any number of 'people in the know' and 'sources' who seem very keen to supply their own 'facts' from the safety of the shadows. These people are always believed over anyone who puts their name to an answer and it makes the statements from people in positions of authority completely meaningless. There are much better ways of spending time than giving answers to an internet forum that simply won't listen to what it is being told.

Accyweb wanted answers and it has had them. Truthful, factual, straight from the horse's mouth. However, there is only so many times a straight answer can be given before the novelty of having it spun into something else wears off.

I'm afraid the refusal by certain members to properly read what I have posted has worn me down too.

Sorry, Ken, but your blind loyalty to your fellow Labour councillors doesn't wash. If Accyweb as a forum has so many faults, then how come you lot were so eager to post on here in the past...or has Accyweb suddenly deteriorated since May, 2010?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Probably because questions are raised on this forum, answers are given but they don't quite fit with what the questioner thinks and so the questioner implies that facts have never been given in order to justify his own posts.

There are also any number of 'people in the know' and 'sources' who seem very keen to supply their own 'facts' from the safety of the shadows. These people are always believed over anyone who puts their name to an answer and it makes the statements from people in positions of authority completely meaningless. There are much better ways of spending time than giving answers to an internet forum that simply won't listen to what it is being told.

Accyweb wanted answers and it has had them. Truthful, factual, straight from the horse's mouth. However, there is only so many times a straight answer can be given before the novelty of having it spun into something else wears off.

I'm afraid the refusal by certain members to properly read what I have posted has worn me down too.

So why the need for you to be Rod Hull, to Cllr. Pritchard's Emu?

She's obviously taking an interest, logging on to chastise people for what they've posted in this thread, but unprepared to speak to everyone who posted their opposition to what's happened.

Despite her not being the person responsible for the decision, you did admit the issue falls under her responsibilities, having the town centre under her remit.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Sorry, Ken, but your blind loyalty to your fellow Labour councillors doesn't wash. If Accyweb as a forum has so many faults, then how come you lot were so eager to post on here in the past...or has Accyweb suddenly deteriorated since May, 2010?

As Wynonie pointed out, this is a community forum.

No one holds a gun to any politican's head, forcing them to post, or indeed answer any questions at all. This forum is free from any association with H.B.C., or any other government organisation.

People have moaned, and grumbled for centuries, about the actions of the ruling elite.

This is no different, as long as forum rules, or the laws of the land aren't breached.

It does seem a very popular place to try and gain influence, prior to any election, but if some politicans no longer feel able to cope posting here, that seems sad, but so be it.

They are but a small part of what goes to make up a community, or a forum.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Sorry, Ken, but your blind loyalty to your fellow Labour councillors doesn't wash. If Accyweb as a forum has so many faults, then how come you lot were so eager to post on here in the past...or has Accyweb suddenly deteriorated since May, 2010?

Not at all, Steve, and if you want evidence that points away from my blind loyalty just take a look at some of the recent Resources Overview and Scrutiny recommendations. They don't always send glowing reports back to Cabinet, something which I feel is healthy for effective control of the Council. I certainly don't agree with everything that is put forward and have no qualms in saying so but it must be borne in mind that I am not involved in every decision that is made.

Pre-May, any answers I brought to the forum appeared to be believed because I was able to find them out direct from the Council and report back in a way that no Conservative member seemed keen to do or indeed still is so far. I tried to be as open as I could in order to inform people of what was going on up at HBC and have attempted to continue doing what I always said I would when I was in opposition. However, now I am part of the controlling group my answers are suddenly cast into doubt and I am viewed primarily as a Labour apologist.

If that's how my contributions are viewed then I see little point in continuing to make them, frankly.

[davemac]

It's not about benches anymore is it.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Not at all, Steve, and if you want evidence that points away from my blind loyalty

Perhaps "blind loyalty" was the wrong choice of phrase, Ken, "misplaced loyalty" might be nearer the mark.

I'll tell you what's really cheesed me off today. We have you defending your colleagues, telling us that they have "intensive jobs" and implying that they don't post on here now because they don't have time.

Then we see them logging on here regularly. Bernard's certainly been on here more than once today. So, if they've time to log on, how come they don't have the time to comment like they were so eager to do before May 2010? And, I don't just mean about benches, I mean about a whole range of issues?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by davemac

It's not about benches anymore is it.

Yes, actually it is.

Selfishly I'd like them back, like many others, and think the excuse as to why they were removed was pathetic.

It just so happens that the nails from the benches have been used to hammer down the lid, on Labour's coffin.

As it's seen by many now. Just how out of touch Labour have become, when gauging ordinary peoples' true opinion.

We have a local council who fund racist organisations, who openly discriminate against women who aren't black, or minority ethnic, and no politican will condemn this outrage as wrong.

We have a M.P. who uses this forum to state one thing, and talks of democracy, but who weeks later, votes denying us our democratic right to be allowed a vote in the future of our country's destiny.

Then we have councillors making ludicrous decisions, which punish the many, because of the actions of the few. A few who remain unpunished, yet no one has the strength of their convictions to admit they made a mistake, and who don't have the nous to rectify the absurd situation.

So yes, it is about seats.

People don't have any.

Whilst some are happy to sit in their plush ones, but they're much too cumfy to condemn the many, many wrong things, that everyone else can clearly see.

[g jones]

I am happy to post. In fact I suspect I write too much and post too much and some would prefer I was less engaging!

I have always said the same thing, people who comment on here are often absent at the meetings put on for them and don't see the 'other cavalry' (protestors against the porotestors)- just over the hill waiting to make the same criticisms about folks not listening and do it 'their way'.

It;s always gone on and always will do and we are all guilty of seeing things through our own prism. Anyone that says they are never guilty of it is somewhere between a hypocrite and a egotistical fool in my book.

You just have to learn to take the crap full square on.