hillsborough disaster

[churchfcrules]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Errr....people getting crushed to death at football matches involving Liverpool FC.........

wasnt that a wall collapsing, that caused majority of the deaths?

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by churchfcrules

wasnt that a wall collapsing, that caused majority of the deaths?

The wall collapsed because Italian fans were crushed against it and that was because the Liverpool fans had charged them. O.K....you can argue that if it had have been any others than Italians they would have stood their ground...but who knows? I have not seen an 'independent' report twenty five years after the event to place blame on one set of people.

[gynn]

Talk us through this one, Tealeaf.

Talk us through the exact connection between Hillsborough and Heysel.

We are waiting......................

So far, the only thing you've come up with is both involved Liverpool fans.

Tell us more..............................

[gynn]

Tealeaf is about to take the stage....................

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by gynn

Talk us through this one, Tealeaf.



So far, the only thing you've come up with is both involved Liverpool fans.

Eh? What other connection do you want?

[gynn]

...to tell us why Hillsborough and Heysel are linked.

We are intrigued.

[gynn]

[egg&chips]

Originally Posted by gynn

...to tell us why Hillsborough and Heysel are linked.

We are intrigued.

Don't forget Gynn, there is also the connection od three sinister men in black at both tragedies, one with a whistle and two with brightly coloured flags. Perhaps there's some mileage there?


Or perhaps it's just the way that authorities treated all football crowds like animals to be herded in the 70's and 80's and some responded accordingly? I know that some needed close marshalling, but crowd control should never override crowd safety.

[egg&chips]

Originally Posted by gynn

If only it came true, my faith in natural justice would be restored.

[Boeing Guy]

Same here,
Hilsbrough was a disaster waiting to happen.

[Barrie Yates]

There is so much blame and so many people to attach it to.
The football hooligans are possibly the root cause - if there is any single cause. They - and they were from many clubs, not just the top tier either, although they got the most publicity, but the rampaging gangs resulted in the fencing in of grounds. Was the design of the fencing flawed? quite possibly. Did the police and ground management have any experience/training in control and reaction? Were the police, ambulance, medical etc reports audited? Should the then government have held a more in-depth inquiry? probably. Did the successive governments do anything to resolve the situation - Straw, as Home Secretary initiated a scrutiny of the documentation but states "it did not get very far" - why did it not? Later he quarantined 10 boxes if documentation.
As much as I dislike Liverpool FC, my thoughts for the victims, their families and many other people who suffered as a result of this catastrophe, are sincere heart felt commiserations.
For those who falsified and tampered with evidence, and made stupid heartless comments, then only prosecution will suffice - at the very least - Perverting the Course of Justice.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Lucysgirl

From what I saw on TV at the time, I certainly would lay the blame firmly on the home team organisers, their policing by what looked like riot police and their home fans. Not only were the home fans throwing missiles into the visitors "pen" causing most of them to move away with disastrous results the riot police themselves went into that pen and used their batons on anyone who had the misfortune to be in arms length. What absolutely surprised me was the police didn't appear bothered by the fact that a home fan was waving a pistol about!!

Aint being funny, but as it was a Cup Semi-Final, How was there any Home Fans yon?

[xavtia]

As I see it the only thing that really matters is that 96 people went to a football match and never returned home. The Police opened a door to let people in, there wasn't sufficient stewards to stop everyone going into the middle pens, fencing stopped people escaping on a ground that didnt have a safety. The guy in charge seemed to freeze, the police refused to let ambulances in then ordered 164 statements to be changed and checked blood alcohol levels of all victims evern the 10 year old and performed criminal records checks which is absolutely disgusting. 41 families, who were previously told there relatives would have died quickly are now being told that if the reactions of the emergency services had been better some if not all could have been saved. This is the most shocking thing to come out this week. It was an accident waiting to happen as there had been problems the year before and in 1981 and no doubt several other occasions. It's not really relevent which team it was people going to any football match should be able to watch it and then return home safely.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by xantia

As I see it the only thing that really matters is that 96 people went to a football match and never returned home. The Police opened a door to let people in, there wasn't sufficient stewards to stop everyone going into the middle pens, fencing stopped people escaping on a ground that didn't have a safety. The guy in charge seemed to freeze, the police refused to let ambulances in then ordered 164 statements to be changed and checked blood alcohol levels of all victims even the 10 year old and performed criminal records checks which is absolutely disgusting. 41 families, who were previously told there relatives would have died quickly are now being told that if the reactions of the emergency services had been better some if not all could have been saved. This is the most shocking thing to come out this week. It was an accident waiting to happen as there had been problems the year before and in 1981 and no doubt several other occasions. It's not really relevent which team it was people going to any football match should be able to watch it and then return home safely.

Think that's why all seater stadia were introduced, could happen today which is a blessing