Honour Killing. - Page 2

Margaret Pilkington · 12-06-2007, 17:29

Iran may be disgusted at the use of a woman soldier, but in many of the middle east countries women serve alongside men in arena's of war.

yerself · 12-06-2007, 17:40

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Originally Posted by garinda

Some Islamic countries stone adulterers, mainly women, unsuprisingly, in market places. Hang homosexual men in the middle of football stadiums, infront of cheering, braying crowds. Cut off the hands of beggar children, who have been caught stealing bread.

Are you sure about this? We are constantly informed that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

garinda · 12-06-2007, 17:43

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Originally Posted by yerself

Are you sure about this? We are constantly informed that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

Sadly, yes I'm sure.

I'm not being anti-Islamic, there's also plenty of injustice and cruelty carried out in the world in the name of Jesus too.

shakermaker · 12-06-2007, 17:45

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

There's a subtle difference in that Faye Turney chose to join the armed forces whereas Banaz Mahmod begged people to save her from being murdered by her family.

Sorry, I wasn't comparing the Faye Turney situation to the one Lampman highlighted, I was using it to make a point about different culture's views.

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Originally Posted by garinda

but these sort of atrocities, just as these so called honour killings, must not be allowed to happen in this country.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning it at all.
Sharia Law or anything like it has no place in our society.
Muslims/their literature should not be scapegoated for such atrocities however.
Christians go by the commandment 'thou shalt not kill', yet in the same publication we see that Abraham was more than ready to sacrifice his son to prove his faith in God.

It's scary what people will do for their religion as the world is ever more aware.

Sorry for wandering a bit!

Margaret Pilkington · 12-06-2007, 17:51

But Shaker, the muslim belief is supposed to be about peace and kindness......I'm sure there is nothing in the religious book which authorises or condones murder of this nature....culture should not be allowed to excuse or condone it either.

shakermaker · 12-06-2007, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

But Shaker, the muslim belief is supposed to be about peace and kindness......I'm sure there is nothing in the religious book which authorises or condones murder of this nature....culture should not be allowed to excuse or condone it either.

It's the same with the Bible which condones war in several places yet is seen as the beacon of truth by millions.
There's a lot of differing interpretations of the Qur'an, the majority believe it promotes peace, but there is a select few (obviously, it's on sky news 24/7) who believe it encourages things like holy war.

garinda · 12-06-2007, 17:58

Hitler was a Christian.

Margaret Pilkington · 12-06-2007, 18:00

I actually wasn't talking about the issue of war......which does get coverage in both of the holy books......I was talking of Murder......one human being killing another in cold blood.
I know that in war human beings kill one another in cold blood, but it is usually done under orders from the state/government, except of course for what some muslims will see as a war against non-believers (infidels).....and I think that is different.

shakermaker · 12-06-2007, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I actually wasn't talking about the issue of war......which does get coverage in both of the holy books......I was talking of Murder......one human being killing another in cold blood.
I know that in war human beings kill one another in cold blood, but it is usually done under orders from the state/government, except of course for what some muslims will see as a war against non-believers (infidels).....and I think that is different.

I'm sorry, killing in war & killing 'in cold blood' is exactly the same to me.
Both completely unjust for whatever reason.
But hey, that's just me

...& I apologize for wandering again.

Margaret Pilkington · 12-06-2007, 18:15

Of course, you are right!

WillowTheWhisp · 12-06-2007, 18:15

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

Christians go by the commandment 'thou shalt not kill', yet in the same publication we see that Abraham was more than ready to sacrifice his son to prove his faith in God.

Abraham is a prophet of Judaism and Islam too

As a Christian it is my belief that God was showing Abraham an example of what he would do by sacrificing his son, Jesus Christ for the sins of all mankind.

steeljack · 12-06-2007, 18:19

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

Christians go by the commandment 'thou shalt not kill', yet in the same publication we see that Abraham was more than ready to sacrifice his son to prove his faith in God.

sorry , dont wish to appear pedantic , but I dont think Abraham was actually a Christian , think you will find he predates them by a few hundred years

shakermaker · 12-06-2007, 18:21

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

As a Christian it is my belief that God was showing Abraham an example of what he would do by sacrificing his son, Jesus Christ for the sins of all mankind.

Then what was to be learned by making Abe' sacrifice a sheep when God's little prank was over?

WillowTheWhisp · 12-06-2007, 18:27

Because the Jews still did sacrificial lambs. This was before the Atonement and that's what they did. Jesus did away with all that. So you can't hold Christians responsible for something which predates Christianity and which their founder abolished.

steeljack · 12-06-2007, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Iran may be disgusted at the use of a woman soldier, but in many of the middle east countries women serve alongside men in arena's of war.

Iran in fact has several Womens combat battalions, I think the problem arose because the British woman was a mother of a young child and it was percieved by the Iranians as form of child abandonment .