How Can This Be Right?

[accyman]

margaret they are fully aware of what you are saying its just one method they are using to save money by deliberatly setting out to deny genuine claimants their money

the computer illiterate are easy targets not people to be helped

[GEaston]

Usual morning round of positivity on the forum I see......

The debate about "entitled to benefits" is a fascinating one to me, whether you have paid your taxes or not. As it happens I have, and I have 25 years of contributions to show for it. Despite that I don't see myself as being entitled to any benefits, ever. I also don't think I'll ever see a state pension because it'll have been removed from people who can support themselves - and I think that's fair.

No benefits whatsoever here in Asia, but no need or them either because the family is responsible for care, be it when you are sick, unemployed, disabled whatever. You look after your kids to they grow up then they look after you. Imagine that, what a weird concept. I think it's called a family....something the UK has long forgotten.

Any danger that someone might have something positive to say? What about starting a thread on the benefits to Lancashire of sitting on some of the worlds largest shale gas reserves?

[accyman]

theres no debate about it if you have paid your way your entitled to help its what National Insurance is for hence why they ask self employed people if they have paid their national insurance stamp when they need help

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by GEaston

Usual morning round of positivity on the forum I see......

The debate about "entitled to benefits" is a fascinating one to me, whether you have paid your taxes or not. As it happens I have, and I have 25 years of contributions to show for it. Despite that I don't see myself as being entitled to any benefits, ever. I also don't think I'll ever see a state pension because it'll have been removed from people who can support themselves - and I think that's fair.

No benefits whatsoever here in Asia, but no need or them either because the family is responsible for care, be it when you are sick, unemployed, disabled whatever. You look after your kids to they grow up then they look after you. Imagine that, what a weird concept. I think it's called a family....something the UK has long forgotten.

Any danger that someone might have something positive to say? What about starting a thread on the benefits to Lancashire of sitting on some of the worlds largest shale gas reserves?

This man has probably paid into a system which is supposed to support him if he becomes unemployed.......if it isn't going to do this then hasn't the government failed him?

There are people who come into this country having paid not a bean...yet when they land here they are given the full run down on what benefits they can claim and how to go about it.

And while on the topic of a thread with some positivity...well, it is a public forum, so do please feel free to start something yourself.
I do not see the thread as something negative per se. It is just outlining a problem that somer poor unfortunate soul has.
There but for the grace of God(whichever one that might be) go all of us.
You may be fortunate enough not to need a support system...but there are plenty who do.
(I will await the incoming red stuff now)

[Margaret Pilkington]

Oh, and another thing..if you do not like the forum...then you have two options...one is to stay and improve it with suitably edifying threads......the other is to leave.
It is entirely your choice.
(more red at 12 o clock)

[cashman]

Originally Posted by GEaston

Usual morning round of positivity on the forum I see......

The debate about "entitled to benefits" is a fascinating one to me, whether you have paid your taxes or not. As it happens I have, and I have 25 years of contributions to show for it. Despite that I don't see myself as being entitled to any benefits, ever. I also don't think I'll ever see a state pension because it'll have been removed from people who can support themselves - and I think that's fair.

No benefits whatsoever here in Asia, but no need or them either because the family is responsible for care, be it when you are sick, unemployed, disabled whatever. You look after your kids to they grow up then they look after you. Imagine that, what a weird concept. I think it's called a family....something the UK has long forgotten.

Any danger that someone might have something positive to say? What about starting a thread on the benefits to Lancashire of sitting on some of the worlds largest shale gas reserves?

Every forums got a knob.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Oh they will cut cash from people who have worked all lives n now really need it, but they have had to do this cos they ain't cutting Foreign Aid.

The one thing which sticks in my crow is there are things which are ring fenced and won't be cut, NHS quite rightly, but foreign aid its a joke, I should think we are keeping our fair share of overseas hangers on here in this country, never mind send money so the likes of India can develop nuclear weapons. we should look after our own first then if there's out left give somebody else a crumb. but thinking about it my father if he was still alive wouldn't have had a clue about computers and I know that for a fact

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It isn't right, and this man should get in touch with Graham Jones and see what he has to say about it...and see if he can organise something so that this man can get his rightful benefits.

Government departments need to recognise that 1) not everyone has access to computers. 2) not everyone is computer literate.
3)some people do not want to be computer literate.4) some people do not trust the security of computers.

These are all valid reasons why there should be some other system in place for these people.

It was just the same when they decided to do away with pension books and have everything paid into a bank or post office account, my old man had to open a current account so he could draw his pension, ridiculous

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by GEaston

Usual morning round of positivity on the forum I see......

The debate about "entitled to benefits" is a fascinating one to me, whether you have paid your taxes or not. As it happens I have, and I have 25 years of contributions to show for it. Despite that I don't see myself as being entitled to any benefits, ever. I also don't think I'll ever see a state pension because it'll have been removed from people who can support themselves - and I think that's fair.

No benefits whatsoever here in Asia, but no need or them either because the family is responsible for care, be it when you are sick, unemployed, disabled whatever. You look after your kids to they grow up then they look after you. Imagine that, what a weird concept. I think it's called a family....something the UK has long forgotten.

Any danger that someone might have something positive to say? What about starting a thread on the benefits to Lancashire of sitting on some of the worlds largest shale gas reserves?

so as I don't have children .. don't have parents as they've both died .. who is responsible for my care ...

and what about the earth tremors a couple of years ago felt in blackpool after they started testing for the fracking .....

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by jaysay

It was just the same when they decided to do away with pension books and have everything paid into a bank or post office account, my old man had to open a current account so he could draw his pension, ridiculous

don't I know it .. my mum was the same .. and from the day she had to open a post office account to get her pension to the day she died she never went to the post office to get her pension, she didn't know her PIN code either ... my problem was I kept getting her PIN code mixed up with mine ... and the cards as well ... having to ask which one id put in so I knew which one I was getting ... lol

[Less]

Originally Posted by GEaston

Usual morning round of positivity on the forum I see......

Somehow I doubt that you see anything, in fact I doubt that you can hear very much either, you may even be suffering curvature of the spine and a very stiff neck, after all to wander the world with your head rammed so far up your own anus would be considered by most to be a disability, however for you it must be a treat, you are closer to the crap you believe in.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The one thing which sticks in my crow is there are things which are ring fenced and won't be cut, NHS quite rightly, but foreign aid its a joke, I should think we are keeping our fair share of overseas hangers on here in this country, never mind send money so the likes of India can develop nuclear weapons. we should look after our own first then if there's out left give somebody else a crumb. but thinking about it my father if he was still alive wouldn't have had a clue about computers and I know that for a fact

in all fairness india tried giving it back they dont want our money we effectivly force it onto them


others however

[GEaston]

Maybe collective moaning is a form of group therapy. As you know I've been following the threads for a few months, and make the observation that I can't recall a positive comment. Gotta be 10/1.

Now you can moan about me being positive and tell me to leave, however while it is an option to go, it is also my choice to stay (unless kicked out by the mods). As you know I like a challenge.

In this guys case we are all assuming that he's a paid up worker, why? He doesn't seem to have any skills so more likely not paid up. On the folk that made no contributions at all then yes, agreement abounds - they shouldn't get a penny.

It was Labour that both historically and more recently opened the floodgates of immigration. He'll they don't even know who they let in, which is amazing because whenever I land in a UK airport there's a long long queue suggesting that border control are doing more than just eating donuts. For 12 years under Labour they were eating donuts!

[GEaston]

I guess Sheillagh that you'd be a genuine case. The govt could afford to pay for you if it didn't waste money left and right, but because it does the country is in debt to more that £1,200,000,000,000 which means there's nothing left for anyone not even those in genuine need.

Less, try fitting that number on your slide rule ;-)

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Less

Somehow I doubt that you see anything, in fact I doubt that you can hear very much either, you may even be suffering curvature of the spine and a very stiff neck, after all to wander the world with your head rammed so far up your own anus would be considered by most to be a disability, however for you it must be a treat, you are closer to the crap you believe in.

c'mon Wizz accept the price of human varieties, perspectives different from yours