How Often does this happen? - Page 2

andrewb · 21-12-2006, 01:27

Im staying away because I havn't watched the news, but if it is how I understand it to be from this thread, well.. its just shocking.
To be honest I don't think people should be able to cover their face in very few public places really. Heck even in shops, people could steal things and hide their face to protect their identity if caught on CCTV so im quite against it really.

chav1 · 21-12-2006, 03:01

when i came back from barcelona last year a woman with a veil went through without removing it for identification

also watched a program where they followed a famouse reporter crossing boarders in the far east interviewing various gurila groups / freedom fighters but because he was british he wold have been killed or taken hostage so they dressed him up in womens gear with a veil etc and they didnt even look at him twice

forget the reporters name hes a war corespondant with white hair and a bit chubby

its a very common metod of smuggling wanted me across boarders over there so it dosnt surprise me if it was used to get a wanted man out of the uk especialy with how scared authorities are to ask for a veil to be removed

SPUGGIE J · 21-12-2006, 07:49

Because we bow to PC power on this it will happen on a regular basis. Even if a half doz terrorist got in and bombed the gaff they still wouldnt ask for them to be removed in case human rights are violated.

WillowTheWhisp · 21-12-2006, 09:23

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Originally Posted by chav1

its a very common metod of smuggling wanted me across boarders over there

I never realised you were in such demand 'over there' Chav that you had to be smuggled across borders!

entwisi · 21-12-2006, 09:38

come on Willow be honest you know as well as anyone that the only way Chav can get into a country is being smuggled in, who in their right min would let him in voluntarily

SPUGGIE J · 21-12-2006, 10:16

The reason they cant find Bin Laden is that he is in the UK after being smuggled in under cover ie a veil.

Lolly · 21-12-2006, 11:11

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Originally Posted by cherokee

its a while since i went through th airport ..but im sure they gave 5 examples on news although i may be wrong and i can only think of 3 at this end and one at the other where your photo should be checked..
1..checkin
2..passport control
3..boarding plane
and other end at customs

It was also on the news that Check In & Boarding do not have wanted lists. So even if they had made him lift his veil, they wouldn't know that he was wanted by the police.

As for the guy who fled to Somalia (where he feared for his life) I hope he fears for his life until the day he is killed!!!!!

Wynonie Harris · 21-12-2006, 11:48

Surely, this whole incident illustrates a few different points.

1) Why are people allowed to go through airport security with their faces covered by veils?

2) Why are asylum seekers who commit crimes in this country not returned to their country of origin as a matter of course, whatever the danger? I heard some government lacky on TV last night say that we didn't do this because we are "a civilised country". Well, as far as I'm concerned a civilised country protects its citizens of whatever race, creed or colour.

3) How genuine was this asylum application anyway, as this individual seemed to have no qualms about returning to his so-called "dangerous" country?

4) Finally, Mr C has raised a point which I've been harping on about in the law and order threads for some time. How come political party members like Graham Jones and Gayle who are usually so voluble, strangely fall silent when we are talking about subjects like this? Why don't we hear from the mighty Greg Pope himself on the subject? Is it because they know that if they tried to defend their party's policy, they would find themselves at odds with most ordinary folk? And fair play to Cyfr, at least he had the bottle to come on here and state his views, although I suspect that they are not in line with Conservative party policy.

And before any of our more PC-minded members accuse me of being a racist, I'm married to a non-white immigrant!

jedimaster · 21-12-2006, 11:58

last time i flew i even had to take my baseball cap off so why should u be allowed to wear a veil
they should be banned
they probably didnt get stopped because of the growing risk to anyone who questions them of them screaming racial harrasment and yet another one takes our government to court

cashman · 21-12-2006, 13:23

) Finally, Mr C has raised a point which I've been harping on about in the law and order threads for some time. How come political party members like Graham Jones and Gayle who are usually so voluble, strangely fall silent when we are talking about subjects like this? Why don't we hear from the mighty Greg Pope himself on the subject? Is it because they know that if they tried to defend their party's policy, they would find themselves at odds with most ordinary folk? And fair play to Cyfr, at least he had the bottle to come on here and state his views, although I suspect that they are not in line with Conservative party policy. -------------------------------------------------------- EXACTLY wyn though i didn,t name anyone these are the people my comments were aimed at! certainly not young cyfr,who aint a bad old stick. but this to me is a very serious topic/point,there pretty quick to comment on things that dont affect peoples lives that much,yet deafning silence on things that could be the death of people, maybe its fear of upsetting the wrong people,wheras i dont have that problem. so to these folk i say, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON PEOPLE WEARING VEILS GOING THROUGH CUSTOMS?

jedimaster · 21-12-2006, 13:25

with you all the way there cashy

cashman · 21-12-2006, 13:27

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Originally Posted by jedimaster

with you all the way there cashy

cheers jedi but i,m deadly serious.

cherokee · 21-12-2006, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Lolly

It was also on the news that Check In & Boarding do not have wanted lists. So even if they had made him lift his veil, they wouldn't know that he was wanted by the police.

As for the guy who fled to Somalia (where he feared for his life) I hope he fears for his life until the day he is killed!!!!!

I see where your coming from lolly but if they made someone/everyone lift thier viel and behind it they discover a man then that should be enough to raise suspision wthout needing wanted lists.....

GET RID OF THE VIEL COMPLETELY ......

shillelagh · 21-12-2006, 23:54

What i say is have more women customs officers and so if someone does go through wearing a veil then the women customs officers would then ask them to step into a separate room and ask them to unveil themselves so they can then check their passports. If they refuse even then to unveil themselves then they dont fly or sail or whatever. That way then they are checked. By the way have cctv in the room and a male customs officer standing outside and instead of letting them go back out the way they came in there would be another door leading onto the concourse so they cant then go back into the normal side and so swap identities with a bloke. In otherwords what they used to do when i was flying to ireland. Theyve already got the stuff they need to do it with - just may have to move it from a different terminal.

By the wynonie - i will admit it - i am a branch secretary of the Labour Party and i havent been quiet have i?

Ianto.W. · 22-12-2006, 00:11

No one with or without veils or any other type of clothing, should be admitted into this or any other country, without having the correct facial and documentary checks. It is truly frightening to learn things are otherwise.