How would you deal with anti-social behaviour?

[polly]

Originally Posted by magpie

Easy:

Prison

( but not a holiday camp)

Basic Small Cell, food and water. and Absolutely no frills:

( or phone cards )

They can spend their time doing good... making things, Braille translation and so on:

How about throwing in some character and skill building hard labour too - unpaid of course?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by blazey

And just a reminder for Royboy39, but this is a public forum, so in theory it IS pretty much a place for me to air my views whether you like them or not. Stop aiming your sarcastic abusive comments at me. This forum (allegedly) doesn't tolerate personal attacks, and I don't see why I should be made to feel unwelcome.

thats EXACTLY what you did on the other thread, ya got to be able to take it, or not give it. just airing me views.lol

[magpie]

Originally Posted by polly

How about throwing in some character and skill building hard labour too - unpaid of course?

Yes sounds good .... I am so sick of these yobs getting away with almost every wrong they do: WE ARE FAR TOO SOFT OF THEM. prison should mean just that: ( then we could build more of them )

[blazey]

Originally Posted by polly

In theory yes, in practise we are constantly seeing the 11 - 18 year olds getting away with alsorts. We need to deal with reality not what the books say.

There are many cases were 10-18 year olds have been convicted, not to mention Thomson and Venebles being controversially tried in an adult court.

Last time I was in court I saw a 17yr old get fined for the 3rd time, and she didn't look at all bothered, which is why I stand by my views that fining doesn't make a difference.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by cashman

thats EXACTLY what you did on the other thread, ya got to be able to take it, or not give it. just airing me views.lol

Well I don't know if you have noticed, but he seems to have developed a personal vendetta against me simply for asking him what he reported the other day.

I'm not imagining it because other people have asked me what his problem is, so I don't particularly care if you want to jump on his bandwagon.

[derekgas]

Originally Posted by polly

I am surprised that anyone with adopted children, particularly 'problematic' ones could interpret anything I have written as being the views of a social worker. The theory withing social services is that children should be kept with their own, natural families at any cost. This is the reason we have so many 'problematic' children.

A correct (clinically evaluated) diagnosis can take years, during which time the child gets worse and society at large suffers greatly.

Many parents have either lost control or never had it in the first place. Not removing the child and giving them a better chance elsewhere is an infringement of their human rights and makes us all suffer.

Ok polly, my adopted children are far less problematic now than with thier natural father (who is a drug dealing/using, drunkard, who cant hold a job down, has been to prison, and has several convictions since, and is still on probation at 27) social workers are keen to allow him access to the kids, even though he had absolutely nothing to do with for 3 years, paid nothing towards thier upkeep, and recently sent them a dvd as a present which turned out to be a bad copy, and was a 15 cert, the eldest is 7? He mentally and physically abused the mother. So if the kids remain problematic, who goes to prison? me, or him?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by blazey

Well I don't know if you have noticed, but he seems to have developed a personal vendetta against me simply for asking him what he reported the other day.

I'm not imagining it because other people have asked me what his problem is, so I don't particularly care if you want to jump on his bandwagon.

not jumping on anybodys bandwagon, have disagreed very strongly with royboy on some issues, just giving my opinion without deducting karma, unlike some

[polly]

Originally Posted by derekgas

Ok polly, my adopted children are far less problematic now than with thier natural father (who is a drug dealing/using, drunkard, who cant hold a job down, has been to prison, and has several convictions since, and is still on probation at 27) social workers are keen to allow him access to the kids, even though he had absolutely nothing to do with for 3 years, paid nothing towards thier upkeep, and recently sent them a dvd as a present which turned out to be a bad copy, and was a 15 cert, the eldest is 7? He mentally and physically abused the mother. So if the kids remain problematic, who goes to prison? me, or him?

Oh him definitely, after all he seems not only to be the cause but also to be aggravating the situation. Your circumstances seem to prove my point that kids like this can improve if they are removed from their environment. You say the children are improving and that sounds like it is due to you - well done. The downside of course is the social workers wanting to allow the natural father contact. Why? What has he to offer them? Why do they need him? What they need most of all is to be protected from him and given a chance. At least that is what it sounds like from what you have told us.

[polly]

Originally Posted by magpie

Yes sounds good .... I am so sick of these yobs getting away with almost every wrong they do: WE ARE FAR TOO SOFT OF THEM. prison should mean just that: ( then we could build more of them )

I agree entirely. I am sick to death of working 16 hours a day 6 days a week to poay the Inland Revenue extortionate amounts of money to keep prisonesr and worshy baseball cap types in the lap of luxury. That and to i8nvade foreign countries.

As a society we need to realise that we need to have standards and if individuals dont stick to them then the honest, hardworking genuine types do not have to keep them