How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum? - Page 16

Taggy · 23-10-2011, 10:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya Taggy I nearly choked when I read that in the LT too

He's obviously drinking stronger stuff than us Jaysay!!

Best Regards - Taggy

garinda · 23-10-2011, 10:41

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Think he's already answered that Rindi, then given a load of crap to try and vindicate the way he will vote

Fair enough.

As stated earlier, I will never again give my vote to any politican, or party, who doesn't actively support a referendum on the issue of E.U. membership.

The only exception to this would be to vote tactically. To hinder those that choose to deny people their say on this issue.

No great deal.

Just one vote.

But I will do everything in my limited power to also encourage others not to support those who don't support democracy.

groove · 23-10-2011, 10:46

Groove thinks we are tied to Europe forever now unfortunately...Groove thinks a European superstate may be the only way to compete with emerging industrial nations such as China, India etc

Tealeaf · 23-10-2011, 10:55

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Originally Posted by g jones

It was one actually! We checked on Friday and (without local prompting) the highest is 75 for the fish fight campaign with quite a few campaigns in the 60's and 50's including on Murdock, who the EU have just knocked back over tv football.

I missed this bit earlier on. Surely there would be no need for a 'Fish Fight' campaign if we got out the EU and restablished our territorial rights over our fishing grounds (which we would be quite entitled to do under international law), and where currently 90% of all fish are lifted by EU member states such as Spain and France? I would have thought a sustainable fishing policy after that would be simple and easy to manage.

Oh - and its Murdoch, by the way. If politicians of all persuasions had not been so eager to please this Aussie scoundrel, then there would be no need to resort to the EU courts over his ruination of English football and his corrupt monopoly on broadcasting games.

garinda · 23-10-2011, 11:00

I've always posted on here that I don't always vote for one particular party.

This is true.

I once voted for Ken Livingstone in the election for Mayor of London, when he stood as an independent, after being thrown out of the Labour party.

Last year I also voted for Peter Britcliffe.

This was done because I knew his chance of re-election was 100% guaranteed, and I did it so I could post that I was voting for the best person for the job, hoping that by saying this, after also saying I was voting for Graham Jones, it might pursuade others to do the same.

Other than these two votes I've always voted Labour, ever since I was first able to, in 1983.

Never again.

garinda · 23-10-2011, 15:34

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Originally Posted by garinda

I've always posted on here that I don't always vote for one particular party.

This is true.

I once voted for Ken Livingstone in the election for Mayor of London, when he stood as an independent, after being thrown out of the Labour party.

Last year I also voted for Peter Britcliffe.

This was done because I knew his chance of re-election was 100% guaranteed, and I did it so I could post that I was voting for the best person for the job, hoping that by saying this, after also saying I was voting for Graham Jones, it might pursuade others to do the same.

Other than these two votes I've always voted Labour, ever since I was first able to, in 1983.

Never again.

The lid on my political coffin was closed, the day this happened.

BBC News - Gordon Brown 'bigoted woman' comment caught on tape

When we witnessed just how elitist, and out of touch the ruling classes are with the ordinary, salt of the Earth folk of this country. When one woman dared to share her very real worries with the Prime Minister.

By the way, I don't think the Conservatives, and Liberal Democrats are any better.

They are all sycophantic careerists. Out to improve their own lot, rather than the good of others.

Some of my political heroes of yesteryear wouldn't recognise this shower of

'tight' we have in power today.

The age of political altruism is truly dead.

Today, because of the three party leaders, and our M.P.'s refusal to vote in favour of a referendum on E.U. membership, the lid of my political coffin has been firmly nailed down shut.

The way we are governed has been fundamentally altered, and we, the people, haven't had a say if we agree, or not, with this momentous change.

That, is very wrong.

I suppose I should be grateful.

Total freedom.

For although I'll remain politically motivated, I truly will have no allegiance to any mainstream political parties.

Cheers Graham.

mobertol · 23-10-2011, 15:50

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Originally Posted by garinda

They are all sycophantic careerists. Out to improve their own lot, rather than the good of others.

I think i may have already told you this G, but I had the same revelation about 25 years ago....

garinda · 23-10-2011, 15:59

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I think i may have already told you this G, but I had the same revelation about 25 years ago....

Yes, I recall you telling me of your own road to Damascus moment.

garinda · 23-10-2011, 17:35

'Mr Miliband declined to rule out the possibility of the UK adopting the euro as its currency in the future if he was prime minister.'

'He said that it would be "very, very unlikely... I don't think it's going to happen. It depends how long I am prime minister for, but I can't see it in the foreseeable future".

BBC News - Ed Miliband: Cameron brought EU vote problem on himself

So that's not a no, then.

Unbelievable.

...and sure to be another vote winner from Labour's Mr. Ed.

I'm a little too young to remember the original Mr. Ed on television.

Wasn't he a horse who talked out of his arse as well?

garinda · 23-10-2011, 17:39

Plus, we know Labour leaders lie.

As Blair and Brown did, when they pronounced there'd be a referendum over the E.U.

We'd probably be waving bye-bye to sterling before May was out.

If the populace elected that Blairownite clone into number ten.

jaysay · 23-10-2011, 17:41

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Originally Posted by garinda

'Mr Miliband declined to rule out the possibility of the UK adopting the euro as its currency in the future if he was prime minister.'

'He said that it would be "very, very unlikely... I don't think it's going to happen. It depends how long I am prime minister for, but I can't see it in the foreseeable future".

BBC News - Ed Miliband: Cameron brought EU vote problem on himself

So that's not a no, then.

Unbelievable.

...and sure to be another vote winner from Labour's Mr. Ed.

I'm a little too young to remember the original Mr. Ed on television.

Wasn't he a horse who talked out of his arse as well?

The Horse was more believable

yerself · 23-10-2011, 18:09

I always thought that in a democracy an MP was elected to represent his electorate. Isn't it clear what the electorate of Hyndburn think about our continuing membership of the EU? I can't see where Mr. Jones' confusion lies about how to vote on the referendum issue.
Represent your electorate Jonesy, it's simple!

garinda · 23-10-2011, 18:24

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Originally Posted by yerself

I always thought that in a democracy an MP was elected to represent his electorate. Isn't it clear what the electorate of Hyndburn think about our continuing membership of the EU? I can't see where Mr. Jones' confusion lies about how to vote on the referendum issue.
Represent your electorate Jonesy, it's simple!

This isn't even about the pros and cons of E.U. membership.

The imminent vote is to allow people a say, because how we are now governed as fundamentally changed.

For most it's a no brainer.

Which you can take anyway you like.

Fine line.

The risk.

National political ambition versus constituent suicide.

Anyway, nearly time for Strictly.

Best go.

Before we're all accused of bullying.

Instead of speaking our mind, in the vain hope democracy might be seen to be done tomorrow.