How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I see the Greek government are giving the people a referendum on whether they should except the EU bail out, if they vote against this everything will go belly up, it really is time to rethink our membership of this failing organisation, who ever thought a joining together of so many separate countries would ever work is totally deluded, it takes enough effort to run one country, never mind bumping 27 together and trying to make that work

Heed Bernard, Cllr. Dawson's advice.

To see all the many benefits, instead of any negatives, think more like an 'Internationalist'.

If you still don't see all the positives of E.U. membership, ask an Estonian, Georgian, Ukranian, Armenian, or perhaps a Lithuanian, about the many advantages of being part of a centrally governed super state.



Up the revolution!

[garinda]

Thinking about it, old Adolf must have been one of Bernard's 'Internationalists'.

He wanted to do away with borders, and have many different nationalities living happily together as one state, but governed from a bunker, on the outskirts of Berlin.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I see the Greek government are giving the people a referendum on whether they should except the EU bail out, if they vote against this everything will go belly up, it really is time to rethink our membership of this failing organisation, who ever thought a joining together of so many separate countries would ever work is totally deluded, it takes enough effort to run one country, never mind bumping 27 together and trying to make that work

The EU 'bailout' was doomed to failure anyway because the 'bail out fund' depended on China 'lending', and the indications are that their answer is NO.
China warns it cannot 'cure' eurozone's debt crisis - Telegraph

So all that hoo hah last week was a postponement of the inevitable.

It is looking ever more likely that we won't need a referendum because there won't be EU to opt out of

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by garinda

Thinking about it, old Adolf must have been one of Bernard's 'Internationalists'.

He wanted to do away with borders, and have many different nationalities living happily together as one state, but governed from a bunker, on the outskirts of Berlin.

Is it a coincidence that the other chap that wanted to rule Europe was French (OK so he was born in Corsica) - so now they join forces and try to do what neither of them could do on their own.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Isn't it ironic that David Cameron, when asked about converting the Brits to Berlin time, said he would have to ask what the Scots thought....and that he wouldn't do anything so radical without first getting all the people of Britain to have their say.

Yet he is quite happy to keep us in an organisation that is sinking fast.......and expecting us to pay for the life belts.

He would be the one boarding the Titanic as it went down

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Isn't it ironic that David Cameron, when asked about converting the Brits to Berlin time, said he would have to ask what the Scots thought....and that he wouldn't do anything so radical without first getting all the people of Britain to have their say.

Yet he is quite happy to keep us in an organisation that is sinking fast.......and expecting us to pay for the life belts.

He would be the one boarding the Titanic as it went down

Yes, I'm afraid it's curtains, for us poor sods in steerage, as we wave off our betters in their lifeboats.

There they go. Cameron, Clegg, Miliband...and Jones.

The chosen few, the elite, who will be rescued by R.M.S. Europa.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by mobertol

From interviews I've seen on TV I think they are as well thought of over there as they are here - or to be honest are more loathed by the average Greek.
They've reached destination - the rest of us are still paddling in the same direction up that Creek.

In Canada, we have a saying: "Up shlt creek without a paddle". Is that the creek you are talking about?

[cashman]

Think the Canadians pinched that saying off us eric.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

Think the Canadians pinched that saying off us eric.

Let's just agree to share

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Eric

Let's just agree to share

only if its a 3 line whip.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

only if its a 3 line whip.

Nah ... a referendum .... only option

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by cashman

only if its a 3 line whip.

you getting kinky?

[Acrylic-bob]

Interestingly, or otherwise, I recall from a biography of Kaiser Wilhelm II, which I read some time ago, that he was an eager proponent of the idea of a federal europe long before Hitler latched on to the idea. Indeed he sent Hitler quite a few congratulatory telegrams praising his actions in pursuing the ideal. I am with the late Queen Mother on this; "Never trust the Germans". Perceptive old bird, the Queen Mum.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Interestingly, or otherwise, I recall from a biography of Kaiser Wilhelm II, which I read some time ago, that he was an eager proponent of the idea of a federal europe long before Hitler latched on to the idea. Indeed he sent Hitler quite a few congratulatory telegrams praising his actions in pursuing the ideal. I am with the late Queen Mother on this; "Never trust the Germans". Perceptive old bird, the Queen Mum.

She was probably whispering that under her breath when taking her wedding vows...as she married one.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

you getting kinky?

Why ya thinking of joining in ducky