How'd you vote in an E.U. referendum?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Weren't we promised a say on the issues before the Lisbon treaty was ratified?

Couldn't it be said that the ratification of this treaty was undemocratic because the electorate hadn't been consulted on the issues since 1975?

I thought that politicians were ultimately responsible for the legislation of this country.

It seems that we are not the only ones who are getting very disillusioned with the situation in the EU....it appears that the german population are hacked off with it too.

Eurozone debt crisis: Euro bailout attempt is utterly dishonest | Mail Online

This is the nonsenscial way the EU is trying to solve its' problems.........scary or what?

Well err yes we were promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, but Gordon said he knew best and that a referendum wasn't necessary, don't mind me asking but anybody seen Gordon lately

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

If voting changed anything John, they would stop us from doing it.....they (the ruling classes)just like to let us think we have some influence.
I just wish that at some election or other no-one would vote....I wonder if it would make them sit up and take notice.........I somehow doubt it!

"I am free to vote Labour or Conservative, but if I try to act on the belief that this choice itself masks a deeper prejudice - the prejudice that the meaning of democracy is confined to putting a cross on a ballot paper every few years - then in certain unusual circumstances I might end up in prison." Terry Eagleton.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, I think that being allowed to vote is one of the biggest cons going......well, perhaps not the voting bit, but the fact that we delude ourselves into thinking that by voting we have the power to change things.....we have no more power than a beetle does of not being stepped on.
But it stops the natives from revolting.

[MargaretR]

Democracy is - choosing the colour of your cage.
By not choosing, you don't consent to whatever colour it gets painted.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Democracy is - choosing the colour of your cage.
By not choosing, you don't consent to whatever colour it gets painted.

Um never looked at it like that Margaret

[garinda]

'In a direct barb towards the anti-Brussels group, made up of 120 Tory MPs spearheaded by George Eustice, and 50 Labour MPs, the Liberal Democrat leader will add a further message likely to be met with dismay from Mr Cameron, he will reiterate his desire for Britain to join the euro.'

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Nick Clegg to rock coalition with pro-Europe plea

That nice Nick Clegg may have won over some, in the pre-election television debates, but the man is a blithering idiot if he thinks Britain should get rid of sterling, and join the euro.

[Margaret Pilkington]

That is like climbing on board a sinking ship!

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

That is like climbing on board a sinking ship!

But if a politican is photogenic, speaks nicely, and comes across well on the telly, some people will still be conned, and give the ship's rat their vote.

The only good thing is that hopefully the public will now see how blindly pro the E.U. the Lib Dem's are, if their foolish leader thinks it a good idea Britain joins the euro.

It'd be more stupid than if we got rid of the pound and had chocolate toy money.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

But if a politican is photogenic, speaks nicely, and comes across well on the telly, some people will still be conned, and give the ship's rat their vote.

The only good thing is that hopefully the public will now see how blindly pro the E.U. the Lib Dem's are, if their foolish leader thinks it a good idea Britain joins the euro.

It'd be more stupid than if we got rid of the pound and had chocolate toy money.

Thought we had

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Um never looked at it like that Margaret

[garinda]

'John Cridland, director-general of the business group, said that a number of proposed regulations from Brussels would hold back London's leading business sectors.'

'In a strongly-worded speech at the CBI's London dinner, he said: "The likely effect of many of Brussels' current proposals will be to damage the UK's prospects for growth. Nowhere is this more acutely the case than for professional and financial services, which are being bombarded with unwarranted regulation."

EU financial regulation could harm UK growth, CBI warns - Telegraph

Every day there are more and more stories illustrating just how damaged this country is, and will continue to be so, through membership of the E.U.

As stated earlier, 'yes' voters please feel free to post evidence of how Britian benefits from being ruled by Brussells. Because at the moment all those E.U. 'good news' reports seem to be eluding the greater majority of us.

[jaysay]

I heard on the TV this morning that a lot of Greeks are asking to come out of the Euro and go back to the Drachma, then devalue it, something on the lines of "this will not effect the Drachma in the pocket or bank account of ordinary people", now where have I heard that before

[garinda]

'A Government statement to MPs yesterday made clear that no national poll will be held in Britain over plans for a £380billion emergency fund designed to support Greece and other debt-laden eurozone nations

MPs are now pinning their hopes on a crucial Commons vote expected next month on whether to hold a national in-or-out referendum on Britain’s EU membership.

The debate is being lined up by the Commons Backbench Business Committee in response to a series of petitions on the issue including one backed by 373,000 Daily Express readers as part of this newspaper’s crusade for Britain to quit the EU.'
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Public vote on EU rescue is ruled out

We live in hope.

That one day this madness ends.

[DaveinGermany]

All the more reason to get out, sadly succesive Uk governments & Politicians have willingly supported this systematic abuse & since nobody has got the balls to back the UK populace certainly not craven Cameron & the spineless Clegg. As to Labour they weren't any better in fact they took us further into this European cesspool so it will sadly continue to impact on the hard working tax paying British people, absolutely disgusting & unjustifiable.

Taxpayers' millions lost by EU-funded regional schemes - Telegraph

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

All the more reason to get out, sadly succesive Uk governments & Politicians have willingly supported this systematic abuse & since nobody has got the balls to back the UK populace certainly not craven Cameron & the spineless Clegg. As to Labour they weren't any better in fact they took us further into this European cesspool so it will sadly continue to impact on the hard working tax paying British people, absolutely disgusting & unjustifiable.

Taxpayers' millions lost by EU-funded regional schemes - Telegraph

Ya should have PM'd that to BD