Huntley to claim damages

[Acrylic-bob]

Originally Posted by Less

Perhaps it's time anyone such as him that has money or assets has to use them towards their keep within the prison system? After all the elderly are forced to sell their homes before they can be given care.
This way any money from a successful claim that he may get would be taken straight from him.

Then if he and others like him ever thought of claiming they might be a little more reluctant as it would do them no good at all, thus reducing this intolerable waste of Legal aid funds.

At last a word of sense, well done, Less.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

Perhaps it's time anyone such as him that has money or assets has to use them towards their keep within the prison system? After all the elderly are forced to sell their homes before they can be given care.
This way any money from a successful claim that he may get would be taken straight from him.

Then if he and others like him ever thought of claiming they might be a little more reluctant as it would do them no good at all, thus reducing this intolerable waste of Legal aid funds.

Totally agree Less, but what the hell would he do with the cash anyway, the state already pays for all his creature comforts, his satellite TV, X Box, Hi Fi system and anything else that takes his fancy, costing, in his life time, millions

[Greeny]

Just read all the comments and agree with you all 100%. I also think that a life sentence is for life, not a few years. Time this country was rid of the softly,softly approach and treat criminals like these with a rope round their neck.

[gynn]

Of course Huntley is the lowest of the low and deserves all the outpouring of hatred and vitriol that this claim for compensation that has provoked.

There is, however, an important point of principle involved here, and we have to put aside our emotional abhorrence for a moment to see it.

This is a civilised, democratic country, which deals with its wrongdoers by means of courts listening to the evidence and giving an appropriate punishment. In this case, Huntley was sentenced to life imprisonment, nothing more and nothing less. He wasn't sentenced to have his throat cut and he wasn't sentenced to having boiling water poured over him. Those were themselves criminal acts which the prison service, through its negligence, permitted to take place. In any civilised society, the prison service must be accountable, and Huntley's compensation claim is part of that process. If he wins, then the prison service has been shown to be negligent and must take the necessary steps to ensure it doen't happen again. Any financial settlement should not favour Huntley, but that could easily be solved by paying the money over to his victims' families.

Of course Huntley doesn't deserve such considered treatment, but it is the UK prison system we are talking about, not any individual.

Just a thought. If it had been Stefan Kiszko we were talking about, who spent 16 years in prison for a child murder he couldn't possibly have committed, would we feel as enraged?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by gynn

Of course Huntley is the lowest of the low and deserves all the outpouring of hatred and vitriol that this claim for compensation that has provoked.

There is, however, an important point of principle involved here, and we have to put aside our emotional abhorrence for a moment to see it.

This is a civilised, democratic country, which deals with its wrongdoers by means of courts listening to the evidence and giving an appropriate punishment. In this case, Huntley was sentenced to life imprisonment, nothing more and nothing less. He wasn't sentenced to have his throat cut and he wasn't sentenced to having boiling water poured over him. Those were themselves criminal acts which the prison service, through its negligence, permitted to take place. In any civilised society, the prison service must be accountable, and Huntley's compensation claim is part of that process. If he wins, then the prison service has been shown to be negligent and must take the necessary steps to ensure it doen't happen again. Any financial settlement should not favour Huntley, but that could easily be solved by paying the money over to his victims' families.

Of course Huntley doesn't deserve such considered treatment, but it is the UK prison system we are talking about, not any individual.

Just a thought. If it had been Stefan Kiszko we were talking about, who spent 16 years in prison for a child murder he couldn't possibly have committed, would we feel as enraged?

A democratic country when it suites, No Government will give the people a referendum on the return of capital punishment because they know they would lose big time

[Margaret Pilkington]

[quote=gynn;833059] Any financial settlement should not favour Huntley, but that could easily be solved by paying the money over to his victims' families.

Of course Huntley doesn't deserve such considered treatment, but it is the UK prison system we are talking about, not any individual.



Her Majesty's Prison Service have a duty of care to ensure the safety of their inmates, but that having been said, Ian Huntley does not deserve to benefit from this vast sum of money, which remember, you and I will be contributing to(me, from my pension), and which he cannot possibly be in a position to spend.
He is the author of the situation he is in, and surely must have realised that while in prison he would be in danger for his life......maybe he has felt a little of the fear to which he subjected Holly and Jessica....or at least I would hope he had.

If Ian Huntley had murdered a girl of mine, then I would not want a penny from him....but I think I would want him to be in fear of his life....and I think I would also want him dead......most parents if they are honest would want exactly the same. PBWY

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by gynn

In this case, Huntley was sentenced to life imprisonment, nothing more and nothing less. He wasn't sentenced to have his throat cut and he wasn't sentenced to having boiling water poured over him. Those were themselves criminal acts which the prison service, through its negligence, permitted to take place.

Huntley is a no-mark who deserves everything he gets ! Holly Wells & Jessica Chapman, were they deserving of what Huntley did to them ? Who's to be held accountable & negligent on their behalf ? As to the Prison service being negligent, absolute rubbish ! Are we supposed to assign a 24 hour guard to "protect" every deadbeat ?

It's a fact prisons are full of people who commit crimes, why the hell do you think they'll be any different inside than they were outside. They will continue to lie, thieve from, murder & assault others, it's in their nature & I for one would sooner have it happen to inmates than those "Innocents" outside the prison walls.

My father spent many years in the Prison service until his eventual retirement a few years back. Suffice to say what he saw sickened him & other P.O.'s in regard to the attitudes & behaviour of these "Victims of Society". As Officers they couldn't do a damn thing, rules & regulations forbade them, but if cons wanted to do cons ! What can you do ?

In this instance Gynn, I couldn't possibly align my perspective with yours & I think a large number will be of a similar opinion as my own.

[grannyclaret]

i am probably on my own but i still think you should bring back hanging for people who are proved beyond all dought to have murdered,,,and if not the birch,,,,
,,,,,,BUT EH, ,whats my oppinion worth,,,

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by grannyclaret

i am probably on my own but i still think you should bring back hanging for people who are proved beyond all dought to have murdered,,,and if not the birch,,,,
,,,,,,BUT EH, ,whats my oppinion worth,,,

GC, your opinion is as valid as anyone else's, plus having an older & wiser head on your shoulders no one can accuse you of inexperienced exuberance. As you have lived through & seen many changes in your time you can as such make a balanced & thought out opinion garnered through experience.

[suedarbo]

I agree with Granny Claret, bring back the birch and belt them every day within an inch of their life. My nephew was just in hospital and had to pay £5 a day to watch tv and the likes of Huntley get it all for free.
I'd chain him to the wall in shackles, shut the door, walk away and leave him.
(I;m in a bad mood today, can you tell?)

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by suedarbo

I agree with Granny Claret, bring back the birch and belt them every day within an inch of their life. My nephew was just in hospital and had to pay £5 a day to watch tv and the likes of Huntley get it all for free.
I'd chain him to the wall in shackles, shut the door, walk away and leave him.
(I;m in a bad mood today, can you tell?)

Agree Sue, If we brought back the birch its not so much a punishment as a deterrent, these thugs that go round mugging old ladies and think ASBOs are a badge of honour(which are going thank god) are basically cowards, if they though they were going to get 10 strokes of the birch if caught, a lot of um would think twice before offending, especially if it was a public flogging.

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Agree Sue, If we brought back the birch its not so much a punishment as a deterrent, these thugs that go round mugging old ladies and think ASBOs are a badge of honour(which are going thank god) are basically cowards, if they though they were going to get 10 strokes of the birch if caught, a lot of um would think twice before offending, especially if it was a public flogging.

Well actually no...

Having grown up in the 50's & 60's, I knew lads that could shrug off the cane, it just proved how hard they were, they wore that as a badge, just like an asbo.

Unfortunately I knew the downside of freedom of such punishment being applied, a Headmaster that waited 6 months to get revenge because I'd actually known a relevant fact and didn't back down to his all knowing adulthood, (3 across each hand as soon as he had the excuse), and also a P.E. teacher that because my Sister hadn't gone out with him on a date, started my lessons with a severe slap on the arse with a plimsoll every week.

As quick as we are to condemn the degenerates, sometimes the so called peers of society are also wrong because free range violence as a punishment is also wrong.

[suedarbo]

That's a very good point Less and one I hadn't thought of

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Less

Well actually no...

Having grown up in the 50's & 60's, I knew lads that could shrug off the cane, it just proved how hard they were, they wore that as a badge, just like an asbo.

Unfortunately I knew the downside of freedom of such punishment being applied, a Headmaster that waited 6 months to get revenge because I'd actually known a relevant fact and didn't back down to his all knowing adulthood, (3 across each hand as soon as he had the excuse), and also a P.E. teacher that because my Sister hadn't gone out with him on a date, started my lessons with a severe slap on the arse with a plimsoll every week.

As quick as we are to condemn the degenerates, sometimes the so called peers of society are also wrong because free range violence as a punishment is also wrong.

Less you are right about the cane.
When I was at school there were boys who thought they were hard......but cried when they were caned, but some of them didn't....and they relished being seen outside the heads office.....they knew that everyone would know why they were there.......they came out blowing on their hands.....and then were considered hard.

The stuff about the headmaster and the PE teacher...well, that was bullying, and isn't it sad that those people needed to do that to you to make them feel good about their roles.
Bullying back then wasn't recognised very well.


Ian Huntley though is a child murderer. It is the path he chose for his life......so maybe his Karma is to never have any physical peace, maybe he is going to have to sleep with one eye open for the rest of his life....because the other crims have their own form of Justice.

He should never be portrayed as a victim because the true victims of his crime were the unfortunate girls and their families.......and those families will still be paying the price for his actions today.

[Restless]

True i agree with everything said against huntley. But saying prison service are not negligible, That i disagree with. But mostly because prisons are too slack as they are. If people are locked up in prison they should never ever have the opportunity to slit one and anothers throats