Hyndburn Local Elections - 5th May - Page 17

Mancie · 10-05-2011, 08:36

Not to sound patronising but you must have had an inkling about the shape of things.. this smacks of the Tories saying they never knew how bad the state of the country was in when they took over.. I hope you don't go down the same road of shame and blame.. I'd say that the voters in Hyndburn got fed up with the lying tories and don't need anymore spin.. tell the people as it is.. if you need to make cuts just tell people.

Ken Moss · 10-05-2011, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Neil

I agree with you on that

It's common sense really. The current best approach to spending public money is to treat it as if it were your own and be as frugal as possible to acheive the desired result. That really shouldn't be very much different in times of plenty either, not that I ever remember such halcyon days.

For the record, I have been appointed Chair of the Resources Overview and Scrutiny committee to examine the way the council spends it money. As ever, I shall be continuing my niggardly ways in order to be the biggest miser in the borough and try to save the council a few quid.

Ken Moss · 10-05-2011, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Neil

Increase council tax by at least inflation then.

Should the residents expect the council to keep taking a cut in income each year which is in effect what a no rise in council tax is.

In ordinary circumstances it might be looked at as an undesirable possibility but currently the council faces losing a large government subsidy if we raise taxes so it simply isn't in the borough's best interests.

In short, raising council tax as things stand means that everybody loses.

Ken Moss · 10-05-2011, 08:49

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Not to sound patronising but you must have had an inkling about the shape of things.. this smacks of the Tories saying they never knew how bad the state of the country was in when they took over.. I hope you don't go down the same road of shame and blame.. I'd say that the voters in Hyndburn got fed up with the lying tories and don't need anymore spin.. tell the people as it is.. if you need to make cuts just tell people.

Absolutely right, although I am not the person to make public statements on such things as presently I have neither the full facts or the authority. We knew there would be many unpaid bills in the bottom drawer but the full scale of things is only just coming out as a huge amount of the financial damage was only done within the past three months.

The public will be kept informed but for the moment the facts that should be forefront in your mind are that we had £2.4m in reserves, £2.7m in transitional funding and £2.8m of cuts to make this year alone.

Britcliffe has gone and spent £5.2m and claims to have left the council in great shape.

You work it out.

jaysay · 10-05-2011, 08:54

Well having read all these post from people supposedly in the know, I would suggest that if things are have as bad as you say they are not only are there faults with the last political incumbents but, HBC pay out millions in wages to officers, maybe there is something wrong in that department, after all when budgets are put forward surely they must be deemed workable by more than just the politicians, just a thought

Mancie · 10-05-2011, 08:56

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

In ordinary circumstances it might be looked at as an undesirable possibility but currently the council faces losing a large government subsidy if we raise taxes so it simply isn't in the borough's best interests.

In short, raising council tax as things stand means that everybody loses.

The Government subsidy will be cut by around 30% no matter what... I understand that raising council tax will cause problems in the community.. but are you saying the council would suffer directly from the Government if it had to raise tax in order to keep a normal service?.. whats going on?

Mancie · 10-05-2011, 08:59

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Well having read all these post from people supposedly in the know, I would suggest that if things are have as bad as you say they are not only are there faults with the last political incumbents but, HBC pay out millions in wages to officers, maybe there is something wrong in that department, after all when budgets are put forward surely they must be deemed workable by more than just the politicians, just a thought

Bit of a long winded reply from you.. it's usually the last labour mob to blame.. go back to bed

Ken Moss · 10-05-2011, 08:59

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Originally Posted by Mancie

The Government subsidy will be cut by around 30% no matter what... I understand that raising council tax will cause problems in the community.. but are you saying the council would suffer directly from the Government if it had to raise tax in order to keep a normal service?.. whats going on?

The council receives a 2.5% tax grant for keeping taxes as they are, if we raise taxes at all then we lose it.

It isn't a sensible option at the moment, all we do is needlessly take money out of residents' pockets.

Margaret Pilkington · 10-05-2011, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Mancie

No.. I've never seen you post anything that could be seen as anti tory..but seen plenty that are anti Labour.. and I reckon this is were you are found out.. no matter what the argument is you will find some place to blame anyone but the tories.. you don't fool anyone.

Mancie you post some ludicrous twaddle.
Your stance is obviously, I am not with labour so I must be against them and by your logic that puts me in the tory camp.
I do not fit into any of these pigeon holes that you try to put me into.......as I have stated very clearly in the past........I would vote for the party that I feel could do the best job of extricating this country from the great financial hole that it is in.........I DO NOT CARE ONE JOT ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY. Have you got that?
You can believe whatever you want. And speaking of fools (which I wasn't, but you were)......I don't need to fool anyone....the people who know me(and that obviously isn't you) know I have no allegiance with any political party....and as you know, I withheld ( or rather spoilt my vote at the last election because I believed there was no party up to the job).

Now go away and digest that information and maybe you will post something sensible next time...though I won't hold my breath.

Margaret Pilkington · 10-05-2011, 10:32

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Originally Posted by Neil

So you agree with spending our tax money renovating houses belonging to private landlords who according to other posters on here purposely allow areas to become run down so they can buy up houses cheap to then rent out.

The Council should be making these land lords sort out the appearance of their business properties not throwing our money at them.

Neil....you are trying to put words into my mouth.
You know very well that I did not say that in my post, so don't try to twist my words.

There are areas of this town that are very run down.......and nowhere did I suggest that private landlords be given public money.....there are other ways of going about regenerating areas.
You are intelligent enough to know that too.

jaysay · 10-05-2011, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Mancie you post some ludicrous twaddle.
Your stance is obviously, I am not with labour so I must be against them and by your logic that puts me in the tory camp.
I do not fit into any of these pigeon holes that you try to put me into.......as I have stated very clearly in the past........I would vote for the party that I feel could do the best job of extricating this country from the great financial hole that it is in.........I DO NOT CARE ONE JOT ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY. Have you got that?
You can believe whatever you want. And speaking of fools (which I wasn't, but you were)......I don't need to fool anyone....the people who know me(and that obviously isn't you) know I have no allegiance with any political party....and as you know, I withheld ( or rather spoilt my vote at the last election because I believed there was no party up to the job).

Now go away and digest that information and maybe you will post something sensible next time...though I won't hold my breath.

Margaret, I wouldn't have known what the guy was on about if you hadn't quoted on his post, you see I alleviated him from my accyweb a few months ago so now I don't even read the drivel he posts on here

cashman · 10-05-2011, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You are intelligent enough to know that too.

well yer entitled to yer opinion.

Margaret Pilkington · 10-05-2011, 10:38

Cashy, I made that opinion from many of Neils' previous posts.

cashman · 10-05-2011, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy, I made that opinion from many of Neils' previous posts.

understandable, but think back to yer days as a nurse, quite a few reasons could explain this= Medication don't always have the same effect! A change of medication! etc etc.

Margaret Pilkington · 10-05-2011, 11:09

Oooh, I didn't know he took medication Cashy.
Maybe he has upped his dose.
Sorry Neil......I like you really