Hyndburn to be axed. - Page 18

garinda · 12-06-2007, 23:19

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

and Polish - you forgot Polish.

Do the council's cleaners use expensive Free Trade polish, as well as coffee, which carries the borough's logo?

Oh Polish, as in Poland. Doh.

KIPAX · 13-06-2007, 15:30

Strange... I had done a search on Hyndburn to see the effect on changing the name...

I didn't do a search on the other which has surprising result... "Accrington and district" gets a lot of hits.. including garth dawsons page which i host and run for him.... i didnt realise i had that in it hehe

So loads of people already use the term.. i really hadn't realised.

garinda · 13-06-2007, 23:57

To test it out, and see how it felt, I typed in another thread, 'Accrington and District', instead of Hyndburn, when referring to this generic area.

Thirteen bloody more letters to type out!

This is dicrimination against the dexterously disabled.

Neil · 14-06-2007, 05:37

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Originally Posted by garinda

Well the four in Ossy look fine and dandy to me, and at five thousand pounds a piece to replace them, I can think of a hundred other ways the twenty thousand pounds to replace just those four, could be better spent in the town.

No they don't. The nodding donkey has almost worn off at least 2 of them. Then again they do look better without it.

WillowTheWhisp · 14-06-2007, 07:17

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

Strange... I had done a search on Hyndburn to see the effect on changing the name...

I didn't do a search on the other which has surprising result... "Accrington and district" gets a lot of hits.. including garth dawsons page which i host and run for him.... i didnt realise i had that in it hehe

So loads of people already use the term.. i really hadn't realised.

Well there you go then - it's already in use without any need for all the palaver of changing the official title of the borough. Job's a good 'un.

katex · 14-06-2007, 18:19

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Originally Posted by Lilly

Well the four in Ossy look fine and dandy to me, and at five thousand pounds a piece to replace them, I can think of a hundred other ways the twenty thousand pounds to replace just those four, could be better spent in the town.

Just a further thought from my 'contact' Garinda:-

'As for the cost of a sign... That can vary a great deal. Gateway signs usually have to be designed, then consulted on (to make sure everybody likes them, or that suitable apathy is created that no-one bothers responding), produced, planned for and installed. The only thing I can say for sure is that this will cost more than £20,000. The engineering/installation costs alone could run into £££££.

If you are really that interested, you could take a stab at costing it yourself based on information contained within a publication called SPONS. SPONS publishes the rates of building materials and construction costs nationally (it might be available on the internet). You'd need to cost for:

2X aluminium poles
1X Mounting board with reflective microprismatic cover
Sunday working at 2X workmen (or UGGS as I like to call them)
Sawcut of carriageway
Removal of footway surface materials
Reinstatement of footway surface materials (200mm binder, 750mm sub course, 1500mm concrete, 75mm surface coarse-bitumnious tarmacadam and spray on tac-coat)

As you can probably deduce from the list of materials/work that is required for multiple signs this will surely cost more than £20,000 - but then I'm not sure what the £20,000 is for - maybe it's just for designing the sign.'

WillowTheWhisp · 14-06-2007, 18:33

What do you reckon the chances are of a fully itemised breakdown of cost before members of the public are officially asked to give their opinions?

katex · 14-06-2007, 18:42

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

What do you reckon the chances are of a fully itemised breakdown of cost before members of the public are officially asked to give their opinions?

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Lilly · 14-06-2007, 20:32

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Originally Posted by garinda

Just a further thought from my 'contact' Garinda:-

'As for the cost of a sign... That can vary a great deal. Gateway signs usually have to be designed, then consulted on (to make sure everybody likes them, or that suitable apathy is created that no-one bothers responding), produced, planned for and installed. The only thing I can say for sure is that this will cost more than £20,000. The engineering/installation costs alone could run into £££££.

If you are really that interested, you could take a stab at costing it yourself based on information contained within a publication called SPONS. SPONS publishes the rates of building materials and construction costs nationally (it might be available on the internet). You'd need to cost for:

2X aluminium poles
1X Mounting board with reflective microprismatic cover
Sunday working at 2X workmen (or UGGS as I like to call them)
Sawcut of carriageway
Removal of footway surface materials
Reinstatement of footway surface materials (200mm binder, 750mm sub course, 1500mm concrete, 75mm surface coarse-bitumnious tarmacadam and spray on tac-coat)

As you can probably deduce from the list of materials/work that is required for multiple signs this will surely cost more than £20,000 - but then I'm not sure what the £20,000 is for - maybe it's just for designing the sign.'

£5000 a sign just sounded a lot that's all.I would have thought that they would be done cheaper than that by whichever sign company makes them as there will be a lot being bought.Buying in bulk is usually done at a lesser cost. I'll not bother spending the evening trying to work out the exact cost myself though,I'm not that hard up for something to do.

katex · 15-06-2007, 20:49

Did you see the Trevor McDonald programme tonight .. about council's waste of money, 4 cases and the public chose the best one

Didn't quite catch all of it, but one was by Worcester City Council and the re-branding of their logo, image etc. They got some students to design in an hour against the professionals ... only took them an hour .. think the voting by the passing public was fairly even.

Must admit thought the professional one was the best myself, however, the design alone had cost £ 24,000 !

Can still offer your council the chance to be a candidate on this programme.

WillowTheWhisp · 15-06-2007, 21:44

Well, it would be tempting but we still don't really know how much is going to be wasted on this renaming malarky do we?

Lilly · 15-06-2007, 21:52

That's all I've been trying to say Willow!

katex · 15-06-2007, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Lilly

That's all I've been trying to say Willow!

Exactly Lilly, it is certain members of the council who have quoted a £ 20,000 figure for the 'package' deal .. we are just disputing this as an under-estimate, but, as Willow says, will we get the opportunity to view the breakdown costs ?

garinda · 15-06-2007, 23:18

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Originally Posted by katex

Exactly Lilly, it is certain members of the council who have quoted a £ 20,000 figure for the 'package' deal .. we are just disputing this as an under-estimate, but, as Willow says, will we get the opportunity to view the breakdown costs ?

Actually Britcliffe cleverly said in the press that the council had put aside £20,000 towards the new signs. He's never said that is going to be the final cost...because it won't be.

Nice bit of spin.

Lilly · 16-06-2007, 09:38

This morning as I was driving up New Lane I noticed that Peter Britcliffe's house is up for sale.Has he resorted to selling his house to raise the necessary funds? Lol.