Hyndburn to be axed. - Page 35

Gayle · 19-10-2007, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Nothing outrageous about it at all - Huncoat was once an indepedent town but was incorporated into the borough of Accrington in 1928. Other towns incorporate surrounding towns under their name. The Metropolitan Borough of Stockport includes numerous towns such as Bramhall, Hazel Grove, Poynton and many others - I'm not aware of the residents of these towns feeling outraged.

You can't quote 1928 as an example - how on earth do you know what the public feeling was at that time? In 1928 the general public weren't exactly able to complain about such things in the way that we are today. Who knows how they'd object if they had to be incorporated now.

Plus, the one thing that the forming of Hyndburn did was put Huncoat back on an equal footing with all of the other towns around it.

Gayle · 19-10-2007, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

And, incidentally, Gayle, as far as I'm aware, Baxenden has always been part of Accrington!

Yes, ok - I'll give you Baxenden.

claytonender · 19-10-2007, 15:47

I attended the meeting of HBC's cabinet on Wednesday, and PB announced that there was to be a special meeting of the council on either 20 or 21st of November,when the name change will be voted on.
PB is to have a meeting in early November (I think it is the 7th - but will confirm the correct date, when I am sure and of the venue), with the chairs of the area council and other members of the public. My understanding is that anyone will be able to attend to give him their veiws on the name change, but I suspect only people who he knows will be for the name change will get an invitation. This might be the only time that anyone against the name change can express their opinion - although PB probably won't want to listen.

katex · 19-10-2007, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Far better for the image of the borough to have a well-known name than the monicker of an anonymous river which is renowned for its stink locally and totally unknown outside the confines of East Lancashire.

Just an addition to all above comments that have been made over and over and extremely valid. Why do people not get over this !!.. it only had a certain pungent smell due to the effluent from our past industries, and should be proud of this fact .. not knocking it all the time...we were not the beautiful south where folks could live in non-industrial areas with clear rivers, sitting back in their financial and pen pushing surroundings ..part of our history.. anyway is OK now !!

'Tis people like you Wynonie that are keeping this label alive .. sure anyone under 40 will never have heard it called this, except when people like you remind them

mattylad · 19-10-2007, 21:18

As an outsider having only web ties to Hyndburn, this does sound more to me like
Accrington is getting it's way and the boroughs outlying towns are having to put up with it.

If people are looking for Accrington they can find it easily enough.
Hyndburn is the borough that it is in, just like Nelson is in the borough of Pendle.

Figures of £20k are being bandied about for name changes but it's going to cost a lot more than that, what about all the smaller buisnesses will they now be forced to change paperwork & signage & who's going to pay for that?

Although I have not read all the pages of this thread, was there a referendum/consultation amongst ALL parts of Hyndburn or just those within Accrington?

But then whats it matter to me, I dont even live there but it will still affect me as i have interests in a Hyndburn group & do not look forward to the consiquences of losing the area it covers.

Lilly · 19-10-2007, 21:28

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Originally Posted by mattylad

Figures of £20k are being bandied about for name changes but it's going to cost a lot more than that.

Although I have not read all the pages of this thread, was there a referendum/consultation amongst ALL parts of Hyndburn or just those within Accrington?

I believe that this name change issue was discussed at various area council meetings accross the borough. £20,000 is the figure we have been given. Do you know something different?

WillowTheWhisp · 19-10-2007, 21:30

There was no referendum.

garinda · 19-10-2007, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Lilly

I believe that this name change issue was discussed at various area council meetings accross the borough.

Which isn't a referendum, nor is it democracy at work.

Lilly · 19-10-2007, 21:33

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

There was no referendum.

Anyone could have gone to their local area council meeting though.

garinda · 19-10-2007, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Lilly

Anyone could have gone to their local area council meeting though.

The lame?

The sick?

Those who happened to be working for a living?

Lilly · 19-10-2007, 21:46

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Originally Posted by garinda

The lame?

The sick?

Those who happened to be working for a living?

If I was strongly against this issue I would have gone to my local area council meeting.

If I was lame I would have gone in my wheelchair.

If I was sick then ok I couldn't have gone but I would have asked someone to go on my behalf.

If I was supposed to be at work at 7 O'clock in the evening or whatever time the meetings are then I would have swapped shifts with someone or booked the shift off so that I could go to the meeting.

If you feel strongly you'll find a way.

It was in the Observer a bit back that this issue met with a positive response at the area meetings.

katex · 19-10-2007, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Lilly

If I was strongly against this issue I would have gone to my local area council meeting.

If I was lame I would have gone in my wheelchair.

If I was sick then ok I couldn't have gone but I would have asked someone to go on my behalf.

If I was supposed to be at work at 7 O'clock in the evening or whatever time the meetings are then I would have swapped shifts with someone or booked the shift off so that I could go to the meeting.

If you feel strongly you'll find a way.

It was in the Observer a bit back that this issue met with a positive response at the area meetings.

Darling Lilly, beginning to think you are the second coming ..

Shifts .. what's them ? The meetings are usually during the day ... read back posts please re. reports in the Observer, and stastistics of those attending, etc.

Don't worry, this has only just begun.

garinda · 19-10-2007, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Lilly

If I was strongly against this issue I would have gone to my local area council meeting.

If I was lame I would have gone in my wheelchair.

If I was sick then ok I couldn't have gone but I would have asked someone to go on my behalf.

If I was supposed to be at work at 7 O'clock in the evening or whatever time the meetings are then I would have swapped shifts with someone or booked the shift off so that I could go to the meeting.

If you feel strongly you'll find a way.

It was in the Observer a bit back that this issue met with a positive response at the area meetings.

Lilly, the very first post I remember reading of your's on this forum, was when you said you'd been at the count on election night, and you were scathing of the behaviour of the Labour councillors. Is there perhaps a little political bias on your side, regarding this issue?

As for myself, I have no political affiliations to any party.

I've lived in London under a Labour council, Lambeth, which was dire, and I've also been a resident under Tory held Wandsworth, which was excellent. Indeed, as good as Labour held Glasgow, another place I've lived.

This isn't about party politics. This is about someone so naive, that his idea of a name change for the borough, a sort of expensive Emperor's new clothes, is the most stupid, and costly idea that has ever locally been mooted.

And don't forget, as Greg Pope said earlier in this thread, come election time, we'll all still be living in the constituency of
H-Y-N-D-B-U-R-N-!

Neil · 20-10-2007, 05:17

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Originally Posted by katex

The meetings are usually during the day ... read back posts please re. reports in the Observer, and stastistics of those attending, etc.

Area Council meetings usually start at 7pm. I should know I have been to enough of them.

garinda · 20-10-2007, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Neil

Area Council meetings usually start at 7pm. I should know I have been to enough of them.

See, confusion already, and Kate reads the Observer, what about the people in the borough who don't?

Neil, would you say the various venues around Hyndburn would easily be able accommodate the 81,496 people who actually live here, if they wanted at attend the area council meetings?