I. D. Cards on there way

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by yerself

Come on SamF. You missed that one, shame on you.

Don't give him ideas yerself,

[katex]

Originally Posted by jaysay

They were saying that joe public can walk into a post office or chemists an sign up for them, so long as you pay your £30. I don't have a problem with the card, its just what data they will have on them, given the track record of our government at losing, er um data

Well, as usual, a link Jaysay . you will have to go into all the links associated to get the full picture. Will not have so much data (as I understand the article), but would have biometric technology that can be obtained through going through one of their controls.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Manchester launch for ID cards

Get yerself a glass of wine and enjoy ...

[Boeing Guy]

I cannot see the point of this, maybe it is because I already carry enough proof of my identity on me most of the time. I have a Photo Driving Licence, a Photo Passport, Bank cards and when working, a Restricted Airside Pass, which I may add, was a hell of a lot harder to obtain than a so called secure Identity Card.
Just another form of control, by a control freak government.
As once said, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength.

[andrewb]

I could think of much better things to do with those billions of pounds. The government would lose its head if it wasn't screwed on. It's not going to prevent terrorism. Waste of money.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I don't see the point of them, especially if only some people carry them...what are they for? Who will they protect?.......it seems to me that the government have changed their minds so many times about the benefits of them that no-one is sure anymore.
And as for the data they will contain.......do any of you find that the government forgets to levy income tax....or that you get away scott free with not buying a TV licence.......No....now isn't that a surprise....perhaps it is because they know where all of us can be found.......and before long criminals will be cloning them, and adding the appropriate biometric information.......then what? How will you prove you are the real you?
The government has enough information on each and every one of us........and if the scheme takes off then the honest folk will buy this piece of trash, but the dishonest ones will clone an honest persons card to hide their criminal activity.
Freedom...what Freedom??????

[garinda]

I want one, if only because I won't have to fart about with a fragile piece of paper, issued to me at birth, and my passport, and my utility bills, etc., the next time I'm asked to prove my identity.

We are already numbered from birth with identifying numbers.

I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

Unless of course someone's here illegally.

They might have good reason to worry.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Well Gary, I am not here illegally but I won't be having one......I have absolutely nothing to hide, but I do not trust the government with the information they already have let alone give them more....and biometric stuff at that.
I'll have my fingerprints done if I bust a bank, but until then, they can whistle for them.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Well Gary, I am not here illegally but I won't be having one......I have absolutely nothing to hide, but I do not trust the government with the information they already have let alone give them more....and biometric stuff at that.
I'll have my fingerprints done if I bust a bank, but until then, they can whistle for them.

I agree with that Margaret.
My mother claimed a war widows pension fifteen years ago, retrospectivly as my father was killed in 1944.
The lady with the file turned up to check if she was entitled and mentioned a child of the marrage, me, and I am coming up seventy in June.
There is enough on file for all of us who were born and raised in the UK but the problem is not with us.
The records seem to be adequate for nationals but overlooked for immigrants.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by katex

Well, as usual, a link Jaysay . you will have to go into all the links associated to get the full picture. Will not have so much data (as I understand the article), but would have biometric technology that can be obtained through going through one of their controls.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Manchester launch for ID cards

Get yerself a glass of wine and enjoy ...

Lifes to short kate, I'll just have the wine

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

I want one, if only because I won't have to fart about with a fragile piece of paper, issued to me at birth, and my passport, and my utility bills, etc., the next time I'm asked to prove my identity.

We are already numbered from birth with identifying numbers.

I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

Unless of course someone's here illegally.

They might have good reason to worry.

Whats the point of having these cards on a voluntary basis Rindi, if they were saying look you lot you'll do as your told, we know better than you, we're in charge, you will have one of these cards, I could understand it, but to come out and say there will be a trial run in and around Manchester, where A LIMITED NUMBER OF CARDS WILL BE AVAILABLE, is plain daft to me, you can see a would be terrorist queuing at the post office to shell out £30 , can you. Although these cards will have plus points, it will allow the Government to lose all our data in on go instead of a continual drip. drip drip

[garinda]

Every man, woman, and child was issued with an identity card in World War II.

I can't recall my granny ever bleating on about her, or anyone else's rights being infringed upon then.

The need for increased security measures was fully accepted.

Since the terrorist war that's been declared on western democracy will probably never end, I have no problem with idenity cards, now or in the future.

If it saves one innocent life I'll think it's been worthwhile carrying one.

To all those who chose to carry a mobile phone, do remember your choice allows your every movement to be tracked, as well as storing your every contact.

Perhaps the civil liberties mob should start campaigning against mobiles.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Gary, with the greatest respect our borders were far less porous in those times and many ordinary folk.....I'm talking about the folk like you and me didn't travel very far.
Another thing is that these identity cards did not contain biometric details.......and there was little point in reproducing these cards for nefarious purposes.
Alas, times have changed......criminals have the ability to clone these cards....substitute their biometric details for yours....and hey presto your identity is well and truly stolen.
During wartime I don't believe the population were expected to pay for their identity card either.......it is another stealth tax......and to have the whole of the population wanting one of these cards, the government are going to have to come up with some very salient reasons why they are necessary....and terrorism isn't one of them.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Gary, with the greatest respect our borders were far less porous in those times and many ordinary folk.....I'm talking about the folk like you and me didn't travel very far.
Another thing is that these identity cards did not contain biometric details.......and there was little point in reproducing these cards for nefarious purposes.
Alas, times have changed......criminals have the ability to clone these cards....substitute their biometric details for yours....and hey presto your identity is well and truly stolen.
During wartime I don't believe the population were expected to pay for their identity card either.......it is another stealth tax......and to have the whole of the population wanting one of these cards, the government are going to have to come up with some very salient reasons why they are necessary....and terrorism isn't one of them.

The last time we had a thread on identity cards we agreed to disagree on the subject, and I guess that is still the same, as neither of us will change our minds on this issue.

[katex]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

During wartime I don't believe the population were expected to pay for their identity card either.......it is another stealth tax......

Looks like us pensioners may get a discount though Margaret ...

I have no argument with owning an identity card ... how many times I have been to the bank, etc., and forgotten to take proof of who I am and have had to trail back to my car for driving licence. Dizzy I know.

Would be so easy to have one of these cards in my purse.

It is difficult to understand all the information given in the media, just get the impression that this voluntary introduction is just to find out how it will work, etc., and only being used as a convenience at the moment. ?

The government are stating will be impossible to clone one of these cards, but hey, who knows eh ?

[entwisi]

BBC NEWS | Wales | Missile data found on hard drives


Launch codes for intercontinental missiles, bank deatils including 50 Billion dollar transactions, and all sorts of other lovely info available free as it is.

Do you really want absolutely everything including your biometric details given away so freely?

Lets put it simply. Untill we have a goverment and IT systems department capable of making data 'secure' then it should be an absolute no brainer to NOT go anywhere near ID cards. they are a bunch of incompetents and handing over the key to your whole life is a scary thought to me.

To Garinda, I have yet to hear a single potential case where a ID card could save an 'innocent' life. Please let me know if you have.