I. D. Cards on there way

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

Which ever Government is in power you would thought in this day and age that personal data could be kept secure.

I still think the principle of I.D cards is right,irrespective of some of the perceived problems.

the principle is right IMHO. but the problems i don't think are perceived, they have already occurred with various Data.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

Which ever Government is in power you would thought in this day and age that personal data could be kept secure.

It isn't, though, as has been proved time and time again! And I don't think it would be secure under t'other lot either, but, that's not the point, as the Tories and Lib-Dems are against it.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by katex

Not if you are drawing out a large amount of cash though Margaret. I think it is if the amount you wish to draw is over the amount you are allowed every day from the cash machine.

Kate, I have not been asked for ID by my bank when drawing any amount of money out of my account....and there have been occasions when I have drawn in excess of £5000......the only time I am asked for ID is when I do Ma's banking and my own debit card plus my pin number is identity enough for them......besides I am recognised by most of the tellers

[Margaret Pilkington]

Bernard, tell me how you think these bits of plastic will increase your security?
Unless of course you think that the police are going to stop people randomly to check their ID....and as I have said before, the people who are up to no good will find ways of cloning cards of honourable individuals.

For a kick off this government does not know who is resident in this country, and whether they have a legal right to be here....and seem impotent to deal with people who should not be here in the first place.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by entwisi

To Garinda, I have yet to hear a single potential case where a ID card could save an 'innocent' life. Please let me know if you have.

You might be happy living in a country with terrorist cells of illegal immigrants, beavering away, plotting to bomb us.

I'm not.

[garinda]

I'd also think it was worth carrying an identity card if it meant it was harder for illegal immigrants to simply disappear, once they are here.

'At one college in Manchester that claims to have more than 100 students — most of them from North West Frontier Province in Pakistan — only two turned up for classes yesterday.'

Bogus foreign students free to flout new laws - Times Online

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Every man, woman, and child was issued with an identity card in World War II.

I can't recall my granny ever bleating on about her, or anyone else's rights being infringed upon then.

The need for increased security measures was fully accepted.

Since the terrorist war that's been declared on western democracy will probably never end, I have no problem with idenity cards, now or in the future.

If it saves one innocent life I'll think it's been worthwhile carrying one.

To all those who chose to carry a mobile phone, do remember your choice allows your every movement to be tracked, as well as storing your every contact.

Perhaps the civil liberties mob should start campaigning against mobiles.

The wartime ID card did not require you to be fingerprinted like a criminal.
It didn't cost billions and billions, which could be much better used. Theres uproar because the councillors are now entitled to £15 more for a meal. ID cards is throwing billions of pounds down the drain, for a cause that will not do a thing to counter terrorism.

It was also a temporary measure in wartime, not a permnant shift of the role of the state and the individual. People lost their lives in World War 2 to preserve this countries liberty. Now that liberty is being eroded from within.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

I'd also think it was worth carrying an identity card if it meant it was harder for illegal immigrants to simply disappear, once they are here.

'At one college in Manchester that claims to have more than 100 students — most of them from North West Frontier Province in Pakistan — only two turned up for classes yesterday.'

Bogus foreign students free to flout new laws - Times Online

That's the whole point Rindi, god knows its easy enough to steal peoples identities now, they forge credit cards, passports, so these I. D. Cards will be easy. But the whole stupidity of this cockeyed experiment is that is voluntary and it costs £30, I suppose guide lines will be issued saying all terrorist suspects must have one of these cards, its like everything else these clowns do its cockamamie, don't understand why Gordon didn't announce it on U Tube

[Boeing Guy]

Well, 3 of the 4 July 7 bombers were English, born in Yorkshire. We never needed ID cards when the IRA were around, after Lockerbie, but do now.

If it can be proved that carrying one will deter crime, illegal immigrants or terrorism then where do I sign up.

However I don't believe a word that Gordon Frown and his merry men say.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by andrewb

The wartime ID card did not require you to be fingerprinted like a criminal.

that is the most pathetic comment ive heard ya make, i and everyone else whoever took residencia in spain were fingerprinted, which was imprinted on the card, no one i ever knew regarded it like you state, really you should aspire to leader of the P.C. brigade.

[katex]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Kate, I have not been asked for ID by my bank when drawing any amount of money out of my account....and there have been occasions when I have drawn in excess of £5000......the only time I am asked for ID is when I do Ma's banking and my own debit card plus my pin number is identity enough for them......besides I am recognised by most of the tellers

OK .. fair enough Margaret. I am with the Natwest, and have been for 45 years now. Even though people I know have been behind the counter, they have still insisted on the rules.

Another one you have to watch is the foreign exchange bureaus ... this was another trail back to me car.

No, probably the war time card didn't cost billions Andrew .. just millions .. LOL. No computers then. Although less population at the time.

The three data bases in this case will not be monitored by the Government, an Independent Body ... whatever that means.

[Benipete]

Quote;
The three data bases in this case will not be monitored by the Government, an Independent Body ... whatever that means.

C.O.Piers and son,probably!

[shillelagh]

For someone who hasnt a photo driving licence, who hasnt got an up to date passport, who cant find their birth certificate, one of these cards will be useful. Its okay for those of you who has a driving licence even one of the old paper ones but for those of us who doesnt what happens if they ask for id ... utility bill .. who carries one of those around with them unless theyre paying it .... your birth certificate - who knows where that is at a given time, and do you carry it around with you?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

that is the most pathetic comment ive heard ya make, i and everyone else whoever took residencia in spain were fingerprinted, which was imprinted on the card, no one i ever knew regarded it like you state, really you should aspire to leader of the P.C. brigade.

I kind of agree with you on this one cashy, modern times need modern technology, during the war we didn't have the same tech as we have today, if we are going to eventually have these cards (which I very much doubt), it will have to include something like finger prints or they just be a waste of time, but I still can't see how anyone will be able to police the issuing of these cards, there are countless numbers of people already in this country and nobody has any idea where they are, but If Gordy asks nicely I'm sure they will all report to the nearest immigration centre and gladly sign up, mind you I've just seen a flock of flying pigs flying past my window too

[Margaret Pilkington]

My bus pass has photo ID....but not my fingerprints or any other biometric information.
I do not believe in the integrity of anyone who is going to make money out of this scam....and anyone who is running it will not be a 'not for profit' organisation.