I. D. Cards on there way - Page 5

jaysay · 07-05-2009, 17:53

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

For someone who hasnt a photo driving licence, who hasnt got an up to date passport, who cant find their birth certificate, one of these cards will be useful. Its okay for those of you who has a driving licence even one of the old paper ones but for those of us who doesnt what happens if they ask for id ... utility bill .. who carries one of those around with them unless theyre paying it .... your birth certificate - who knows where that is at a given time, and do you carry it around with you?

Do you know Jen I'm in exactly the same boat as you, oh I have a disabled parking badge with my mugshot on it, the only thing missing is a row of numbers across the bottom, but it will do for me

garinda · 07-05-2009, 20:00

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Originally Posted by andrewb

It was also a temporary measure in wartime

The introduction of identity cards at the time weren't a temporary measure. It's only because we thankfully won that war that they were phased out.
They can only be viewed as temporary with the benefit of hindsight.

Sadly the war that's been declared against western democracy will be without end.

Neil · 07-05-2009, 20:23

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Originally Posted by cashman

it matters not to me what data is stored on em, its the simple fact they have NOT demonstrated it can be Secured, in fact the opposite.

What is on the card that needs to be secured.

As for cost 5 billion works out at £80 each.

If they made it 6 and a bit billion each they could have paid for all our cards as well. hardly worth fannying around for another billion quid is it?

Neil · 07-05-2009, 20:28

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Originally Posted by andrewb

The wartime ID card did not require you to be fingerprinted like a criminal.

I wonder how many murders, rapes etc could be solved if everyone in the country was fingerprinted and had a dna sample taken.

Its no wonder so many people are against it is it?

Neil · 07-05-2009, 20:32

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

who cant find their birth certificate

Birth certificates mean nothing. I could get a copy of yours

http://local.direct.gov.uk/LDGRedire...GSL=323&LGIL=0

Neil · 07-05-2009, 20:39

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Originally Posted by jaysay

....I still can't see how anyone will be able to police the issuing of these cards, there are countless numbers of people already in this country and nobody has any idea where they are, but If Gordy asks nicely I'm sure they will all report to the nearest immigration centre and gladly sign up.....

I think after a certain date we should all have to carry an ID card with us. I watch the UK Border program on the box. They have to be able to prove someone should not be here. That is wrong. The person should have to prove they can be here or they should be locked up. So no ID card and you get locked up.

Margaret Pilkington · 07-05-2009, 20:45

I'd definitely be locked up.

Neil · 07-05-2009, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I'd definitely be locked up.

And if it was the law I would have no problem with you being locked up if you broke it.

Royboy39 · 07-05-2009, 20:50

I can prove who my mother was, who my father was, when I was born, where I was was born.
I have a driving licence and a passport, one which I qualified for the other I am entitled to.
I can prove where I have lived for the last seventy years and how much I have paid into the system.
I have one driving conviction for speeding and that is recorded.
If I am stopped by the authorities on the road, as I have, whilst driving a van, all the information held on me and my wife was checked there and then on the roadside within five minutes..........am I claiming benifits, No......am I licenced to drive Yes...is the vehicle insured Yes.....is the vehicle overloaded, No....Is the vehicle taxed, Yes.
Who the hell needs an ID card?

shillelagh · 07-05-2009, 20:54

Margaret some places will not accept the bus pass as id ... it doesnt have your address on or your date of birth .. just your name and your photo. I've tried it ...

Neil · 07-05-2009, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

Who the hell needs an ID card?

I think they are more useful to prove who should not be here. You should be so don't have a problem.

Royboy39 · 07-05-2009, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Neil

I think they are more useful to prove who should not be here. You should be so don't have a problem.

Now we are cooking on gas.

Margaret Pilkington · 07-05-2009, 21:03

Like Royboy, I have a professional qualification which can be checked.....I have worked and paid taxes in this country all of my life...the government know where to pay my pension to, they know where to take my taxes from.....I have been resident in the Accrington district for almost 62 years.....and as a result appear on the register of voters......I have completed every census that has been sent to me......I belong here.......and I won't be having an ID card......I believe that it contravenes my Human Rights.

Margaret Pilkington · 07-05-2009, 21:05

I am guilty of nothing.......why should I have my fingerprints taken?
Biometric details stored.....details which could be used for something which I do not sanction.

Margaret Pilkington · 07-05-2009, 21:07

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

Margaret some places will not accept the bus pass as id ... it doesnt have your address on or your date of birth .. just your name and your photo. I've tried it ...

They can see that it is you though.......don't we look at peoples faces to identify them anymore?