I find it hard to believe this ...

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The problem with the NHS is that for every front line clinician there are 998 support staff 1 to 1 basis, anybody like to say that this is right

I doubt anyone would say that was right.

Except perhaps the pen-pushers themselves.

The government is implementing cuts, which affects frontline staff, and therefore patients are suffering, whilst the many layers of administrative staff remain, free from this government's reforms.

That is wrong.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

I doubt anyone would say that was right.

Except perhaps the pen-pushers themselves.

The government is implementing cuts, which affects frontline staff, and therefore patients are suffering, whilst the many layers of administrative staff remain, free from this government's reforms.

That is wrong.

The government are doing no such thing and you know it, the article that started this thread was that certain operations could not be carried out until April as they've run out of money, maybe the last government didn't give them enough last April

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The government are doing no such thing and you know it, the article that started this thread was that certain operations could not be carried out until April as they've run out of money, maybe the last government didn't give them enough last April

I sincerely hope you're not starting with cataracts.

Headline story in the Daily Mail.

'Thousands of NHS managers due to be sacked as part of plans to streamline the NHS will now have to be kept on to help run the new system, the Government admitted yesterday'

Massive NHS shake-up but pen-pushers will survive with jobs running NEW system | Mail Online

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

I sincerely hope you're not starting with cataracts.

Headline story in the Daily Mail.

'Thousands of NHS managers due to be sacked as part of plans to streamline the NHS will now have to be kept on to help run the new system, the Government admitted yesterday'

Massive NHS shake-up but pen-pushers will survive with jobs running NEW system | Mail Online

Can't, have already had them, you can't have them twice and whats this got to do with those cancelled operations

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Can't, have already had them, you can't have them twice and whats this got to do with those cancelled operations

Because you seem unable to see the glaring headlines in the Daily Mail, stating the fact that the cuts are affecting medical staff, whilst the pen-pushers remain unscathed.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Because you seem unable to see the glaring headlines in the Daily Mail, stating the fact that the cuts are affecting medical staff, whilst the pen-pushers remain unscathed.

Your one of the people who keep telling me the Mail is crap or is it only crap when it doesn't suit your purpose

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Because you seem unable to see the glaring headlines in the Daily Mail, stating the fact that the cuts are affecting medical staff, whilst the pen-pushers remain unscathed.

£1TRILLION: Our National Debt pushes through barrier to reach £40,000 per household | Mail Online
Seeing you've become an avid reader of the gospel according to the Daily Mail G. take a butchers at this, this will warm the cockles of your heart matey courtesy of Tony Gordon and their little Darling. I trillion in debt must be hard to stomach even for you, and lets not forget that just to service this debt is costing a kings ransom every year (around £43 billion a year) more than we spend on the defence budget, and all to placate Labours Viv Nicholson's policy Spend Spend Spend, the only trouble comes is when they jump ship (anybody seen Brown or Darling since last May,no didn't think so) and its left to the next government to pick up the pieces

[walkinman221]

You must never lose sight of the most important fact of all and that is"WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER" no matter how bad things get we have that thought to comfort us,knowing the government cares even for us , yes even us lowly working or not classes
If you believe that you believe anything!!!!!!!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

You must never lose sight of the most important fact of all and that is"WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER" no matter how bad things get we have that thought to comfort us,knowing the government cares even for us , yes even us lowly working or not classes
If you believe that you believe anything!!!!!!!

You should never believe anything any government tells you as you'll only end up very disopinted, just think I once remember HMO SAYING THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER what a load of cobblers that was too

[Eric]

Originally Posted by garinda

It's been downhill ever since the great unwashed were foolishly given the right to vote.

Mmm ... these wouldn't be the same unwashed that manned the trenches in WWl, and within living memory, stood alone against the Nazis while the Great Democracy in North America tried to figure out how to make a profit out of the war. Social programmes such as health care, education, pensions, workers' comp don't even come close to paying the debt the country owes to the working class. A quick glance at the order of battle on July 1, 1916 will show you where most of the troops came from ... the working class areas of the UK: the industrial midlands, the north, and the industrial areas of Scotland. The extent of this obligation is carved in stone on memorials all over the UK (and Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) ... I know it seems long ago to those of you in the generations which follow mine, but it should never be forgotten. Has "Lest We Forget" become nothing more than an empty slogan trotted out once a year in November? Access to free, universal health care is a right, not an economic football to be kicked around Whitehall. The drive should be improvement. Giving more services, not fewer. Anyone who can't see the importance of education and health care as corner stones of a true social democracy has spent too much time eyeballing his colon.

I'm not directly affected by any of these cuts. What pees me off is that I have, like many Canadians, always looked at the health care system in England as a model worthy of admiration and emulation ... and now look what is happening: a new tea party in the home of tea time.

No politician in my country, however right wing in his beliefs, would dare to threaten medicare. And, as an aside, when Canadians were polled and asked to pick the hundred most influential and popular Canadians of the last century, the man picked as No. 1 was Tommy Douglas. Most of you have probably never heard of him; but, he was the "Father of Medicare." He brought us universal, free health care based on the British model.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Your one of the people who keep telling me the Mail is crap or is it only crap when it doesn't suit your purpose

I've never said that.

I have stated that it does have an acknowleged right-wing political bias.

Which makes their headline stories, re: this government's cuts in the NHS, even more shocking.

[Margaret Pilkington]

[quote=Eric;876332] Anyone who can't see the importance of education and health care as corner stones of a true social democracy has spent too much time eyeballing his colon.

Spot on.......and without them, in my opinion, there is no democracy. Social or otherwise.

We get people from all over the world taking advantage of the health care that is delivered free at the point of need....people who aren't entitled to the service, and who are draining the system dry.
There are many many ways that money could be saved....but putting the GP's in the driving seat isn't one of them

[garinda]

Oh, and I was being facetious, about giving the working man, and woman, the vote.

Though I'm sure there are those who still wished the reins of power were in the hands of the few idle rich.

[Benipete]

The Meek will inherit the Earth. We are but pawns in a game of Egotistical masters.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by garinda

Oh, and I was being facetious, about giving the working man, and woman, the vote.

Though I'm sure there are those who still wished the reins of power were in the hands of the few idle rich.

That's exactly how I read it ....