I find it hard to believe this ... - Page 6

JCB · 19-01-2011, 18:57

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Originally Posted by garinda

Socialists my arse.

And your terminology must be applied to the Labour Governments of which Harold Wilson and James Callaghan were Prime Ministers .

When was Labour last socialist ?

I would say the post-war Labour Government comes closest , but none since in any way .

Eric · 19-01-2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Eric

That's right Eric.
I have seen people from countries outside the EU get expensive drugs and surgical treatment(which they would have had to pay for in their own country) and nursing care, absolutely free of charge.
The NHS is supposed to ask if the person being treated has resided in the UK for 12 months...but requires no proof if the person answers in the affirmative.

Billions of pounds each year must be lost in this way......these people are called 'health tourists'.

Just noticed the bit about ID ... In Ontario, every resident needs a OHIP card (Ontario Hospital Insurance Program) in order to receive free services. It's photo ID, and contains all your info: name, address, phone no., social insurance no., doctor's name, next of kin, and emergency contact person. Everyone who needs medical care must have a card. Cards are free, of course; but are only available to residents of Ontario. We are fairly nice folks over here, but not into giving away free what we pay for through our taxes.

garinda · 19-01-2011, 20:06

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Originally Posted by JCB

And your terminology must be applied to the Labour Governments of which Harold Wilson and James Callaghan were Prime Ministers .

When was Labour last socialist ?

I would say the post-war Labour Government comes closest , but none since in any way .

Marginally Labour could be regarded as having some socialist principles, at least until they all tore up their copies of Marx, stopped singing the Red Flag, and elected Blair as the people of middle England's princess.

Margaret Pilkington · 19-01-2011, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Just noticed the bit about ID ... In Ontario, every resident needs a OHIP card (Ontario Hospital Insurance Program) in order to receive free services. It's photo ID, and contains all your info: name, address, phone no., social insurance no., doctor's name, next of kin, and emergency contact person. Everyone who needs medical care must have a card. Cards are free, of course; but are only available to residents of Ontario. We are fairly nice folks over here, but not into giving away free what we pay for through our taxes.

Eric, I have no qualms about people being treated for emergencies.......such as accidents, but I am talking about blatant health tourism.......heart operations, gall bladder surgery, hernia operations.......and much more.
These people may come from the Asian sub continent........stay with relatives and get the treatment without any cost to themselves.

As for EU country members, they are entitled to treatment, as we would be if we were to be taken ill in an EU country.......as long as you have the appropriate documenation...it used to be the e111....but it has changed now to something like the European Health Insurance card (not sure if I have got the name right - but it is something like that).

Like I said, billions of pounds down the drain treating health tourists.

Benipete · 19-01-2011, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Eric

Eric, I have no qualms about people being treated for emergencies.......such as accidents, but I am talking about blatant health tourism.......heart operations, gall bladder surgery, hernia operations.......and much more.
These people may come from the Asian sub continent........stay with relatives and get the treatment without any cost to themselves.

As for EU country members, they are entitled to treatment, as we would be if we were to be taken ill in an EU country.......as long as you have the appropriate documenation...it used to be the e111....but it has changed now to something like the European Health Insurance card (not sure if I have got the name right - but it is something like that).

Like I said, billions of pounds down the drain treating health tourists.

You are quite right Margaret.Available on line @ EHIC.

Margaret Pilkington · 19-01-2011, 22:20

Thank goodness for that........I didn't dream it after all.

Eric · 19-01-2011, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Eric

Eric, I have no qualms about people being treated for emergencies.......such as accidents, but I am talking about blatant health tourism.......heart operations, gall bladder surgery, hernia operations.......and much more.
These people may come from the Asian sub continent........stay with relatives and get the treatment without any cost to themselves.

As for EU country members, they are entitled to treatment, as we would be if we were to be taken ill in an EU country.......as long as you have the appropriate documenation...it used to be the e111....but it has changed now to something like the European Health Insurance card (not sure if I have got the name right - but it is something like that).

Like I said, billions of pounds down the drain treating health tourists.

Yeah ... I got your drift, hon ... I think I should qualify what I said about health care in Ontario, and any other province for that matter. I phoned a buddy of mine who works for Service Ontario, just to check it out. So, here is the scenario: if you are visiting our city from the UK (and you were silly enough not to have health insurance for your trip) and while shopping on lower Princess Street and keeled over from a heart attack, you would be hauled away to Recycling and turned into dog food

.... not really: an ambulance would arrive and well-trained paramedics would rush you to KGH, where (without going through your pockets to check for credit cards or cash

... what do you think we are: Americans!

) you would receive the best medical care available. If you had no insurance, and could not afford to pay, the Province of Ontario would foot the bill.

However, a couple of weeks after you returned to England, some mounties would show up at your house, kick the crap out of you, taser you, and take your big screen tv and your Play Station.

garinda · 19-01-2011, 23:05

For goodness sake you two.

Get a room... and sort out your quoting brackets!

Eric · 20-01-2011, 02:11

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Originally Posted by garinda

For goodness sake you two.

Get a room... and sort out your quoting brackets!

jaysay · 20-01-2011, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Eric

That's not nice from one of our colonial brethren Eric, is it

Eric · 20-01-2011, 13:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay

That's not nice from one of our colonial brethren Eric, is it

When the finely honed, witty riposte doesn't spring to mind, sticking one's tongue out will do in a pinch

jaysay · 20-01-2011, 18:47

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Originally Posted by Eric

When the finely honed, witty riposte doesn't spring to mind, sticking one's tongue out will do in a pinch

Bit too much moose juice the night before hey Eric

Eric · 20-01-2011, 21:27

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Bit too much moose juice the night before hey Eric

FYI: "Moose juice" is the nickname of the City of Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. I was drinking Jack Daniels, chased with Lancaster Bomber

We are kinda wintered right now ... and if you don't have to venture out, staying home and self-medicating with alcohol and THC is a good option.

-30 with the wind chill as we speak ... even the dogs don't want to venture too far. Maybe I should try the new drug: toryism, the opiate of the asses