I find it hard to believe this ...

[Eric]

I thought I would give this thread a Jaysayesque title, a little levity before I ask about something that appears will have significant effects on you guys. Is it true what I read in your media that cuts to the NHS are already there? That 57 types of surgical procedures will no longer be allowed in North Manchester area? Some I can understand: boob jobs and tatoo removal. But hip and knee replacement??????? Gall stones? What in the sam hell is going on? Is it time to say RIP NHS?

I can understand reviewing a system in order better to deliver health care. But in wealthy countries, it should be the right of every citizen to receive free health care, free elementary and secondary education, and subsidised post-secondary education.

From a distant viewpoint, I see this government doing irreperable damage to the UK. They will probably condense 13 years of misrule into two.

[flashy]

you aren't allowed to have a baby at a Blackburn Hospital anymore, you have t go to Burnley

[Neil]

Call me sick but I find it funny that all future Burnley hating Rovers fans will be born in Burnley making them .... well you know, can't say it because some members get upset

[garinda]

Sadly the cuts will affect front-line staff, and therefore patient care, instead of the myriad of well paid pen-pushers, who will escape unscathed.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Eric

I thought I would give this thread a Jaysayesque title, a little levity before I ask about something that appears will have significant effects on you guys. Is it true what I read in your media that cuts to the NHS are already there? That 57 types of surgical procedures will no longer be allowed in North Manchester area? Some I can understand: boob jobs and tatoo removal. But hip and knee replacement??????? Gall stones? What in the sam hell is going on? Is it time to say RIP NHS?


I can understand reviewing a system in order better to deliver health care. But in wealthy countries, it should be the right of every citizen to receive free health care, free elementary and secondary education, and subsidised post-secondary education.

From a distant viewpoint, I see this government doing irreparable damage to the UK. They will probably condense 13 years of misrule into two.

I think you will find Eric that these ops have been suspend because of the flu epidemic that is rife at the moment, as have a lot of outpatient appointments

[Reece]

The government is slowly collapsing; England better sort itself out soon!

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I think you will find Eric that these ops have been suspend because of the flu epidemic that is rife at the moment, as have a lot of outpatient appointments

From your beloved Daily Mail...

'Tens of thousands of doctors and nurses are facing the axe despite Government promises to protect the NHS from cuts, a report suggests.'

Read more: 100,000 frontline staff 'may go as NHS cuts £20bn | Mail Online

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

From your beloved Daily Mail...

'Tens of thousands of doctors and nurses are facing the axe despite Government promises to protect the NHS from cuts, a report suggests.'

Read more: 100,000 frontline staff 'may go as NHS cuts £20bn | Mail Online

The optimum word is May, but you know as well as I do you could probable cut saw much from the NHS and still not affect front line services, just get rid of those Labour appointees sat in their Ivory Towers working 3 days a week on telephone numbers salaries, and it might be an idea if consultants were stopped from working self made overtime at £250 an hour

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The optimum word is May, but you know as well as I do you could probable cut saw much from the NHS and still not affect front line services, just get rid of those Labour appointees sat in their Ivory Towers working 3 days a week on telephone numbers salaries, and it might be an idea if consultants were stopped from working self made overtime at £250 an hour

This is happening now...

NHS trusts in north-west ban 57 types of surgery

'The axe will fall heavily on procedures to help with the knees and hips, gynaecology (including hysterectomies for heavy menstrual bleeding), eye cataracts and nearly all cosmetic surgery.

The cuts will also affect procedures for hand and lower back pain, hernias, haemorrhoids, skin lesions, lower jaw and surgical dentistry.'
NHS trusts in north-west ban 57 types of surgery | Society | The Guardian

People will continue to live in pain, because there will be no knee and hip replacement operations. Others will remain blinded by cataracts. All because of the cuts.

Scandalous.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

This is happening now...

NHS trusts in north-west ban 57 types of surgery

'The axe will fall heavily on procedures to help with the knees and hips, gynaecology (including hysterectomies for heavy menstrual bleeding), eye cataracts and nearly all cosmetic surgery.

The cuts will also affect procedures for hand and lower back pain, hernias, haemorrhoids, skin lesions, lower jaw and surgical dentistry.'
NHS trusts in north-west ban 57 types of surgery | Society | The Guardian

People will continue to live in pain, because there will be no knee and hip replacement operations. Others will remain blinded by cataracts. All because of the cuts.

Scandalous.

Guardian

[MargaretR]

Pain medication side effects
Painkillers Fuel Growth in Drug Addiction - Harvard Health Publications

More people will inevitably have to resort to using strong pain killers, which will increase the amount the NHS pays out to the pharmacutical industry - so denying surgery is false economy.

Those painkillers cause other health problems - are life shortening - so eugenics policies are in action big style.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Guardian

The facts of what's happening now is reported in the press across the political spectrum.



'The NHS is adopting a "dangerous path" by stopping certain elective surgical procedures to save money, the president of the Royal College of Surgeons of England has warned.'
The Press Association: Surgeons issue service cuts warning

Probably be in your Mail tomorrow.

They tend to be a little slow. Mirroring many of it's readers.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

The facts of what's happening now is reported in the press across the political spectrum.



'The NHS is adopting a "dangerous path" by stopping certain elective surgical procedures to save money, the president of the Royal College of Surgeons of England has warned.'
The Press Association: Surgeons issue service cuts warning

Probably be in your Mail tomorrow.

They tend to be a little slow. Mirroring many of it's readers.

They have a cheek when they're charging £250 an hour overtime

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The optimum word is May, but you know as well as I do you could probable cut saw much from the NHS and still not affect front line services, just get rid of those Labour appointees sat in their Ivory Towers working 3 days a week on telephone numbers salaries, and it might be an idea if consultants were stopped from working self made overtime at £250 an hour

My first post in this thread stated that pen-pushers were being spared, at the cost of front-line staff, because of the cuts.

That's wrong, just as denying patients in pain surgery, because of cost cutting, is wrong.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

They have a cheek when they're charging £250 an hour overtime

I'd rather have a qualified surgeon operate on me, rather than some pen-pusher on £80,000.00 a year.




'...there was further controversy after it emerged that next year’s NHS funding rise is below the level of inflation – meaning the amount of money available is in reality a cut. This breaks an election pledge by the Tories for real-term increases.'

Read more: Massive NHS shake-up but pen-pushers will survive with jobs running NEW system | Mail Online

Argue all you like.

But sadly even you can't argue with the facts, of what is happening NOW.