I'm a bit disappointed really

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Afternoon, Bernard.

...and he's scuttled off again. Surprise, surprise.

[Margaret Pilkington]

If these people(the local politicians and our MP) don't want to answer then there isn't a damn thing we can do about it right now....but we all must remember their reticence to answer questions, when they are out canvassing for our x's on ballot papers.
I don't think Graham Jones has an answer to the things we have asked . He would just tie himself up in knots and probably lose even more credibility in the process...they do say a shut mouth catches no flies!
I suppose it is better to say nothing, and be thought of as numb...than open your gob and confirm it.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Actually, he was on here yesterday evening between about 10 and 10-30 - I "saw" him reading this thread and the other one "Did G-Jones do the right thing.." he took his time and it must have made pretty uncomfortable reading. Don't think he posted any comments -but he should have got your message by now!

Shame none of you were around to challenge him

My 'message' isn't to him.

Since he's likely to vote for himself anyway, if he still has a seat. It's to every other voter.

To publicly say he had no problem with an E.U. referendum, stating it would settle the matter 'democratically', and two weeks later vote to deny his constituents that democratic right, is grossly hypocritical, to put it mildly.

He made his decision, and will suffer the consequences. Which will be a great deal of lost votes.

He can read Accy Web all he likes.

He can't come up with any justifiable defence for his actions, because what he said, and then what he subsequently did, are indefensible.

It would take a sharper mind than his to win over anyone now.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cashman

he knows damn well what many ex labour sympathisers on here think

Odd really.

How things turn out.

When the old queen was on the throne, the accusation was always that Accy Web was a hotbed of flaming red Trotskyites.

Doesn't seem much evidence of that on here anymore.

The only thing that's red on here nowadays is karma.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I've challenged Bernard Dawson more than once when I've seen him reading the Kashmir thread to explain why he and the council voted the way they did. No answer every time.

Afternoon, Bernard.

Again, because once the numpties had it pointed out to them, just how stupidly they'd been used as ammunition in a propaganda war, what they did was indefensible.

Nevermind silence being golden, this is more like deafening.

Expecting politicans, once they're in power, to explain their actions, means you've more chance of getting blood out of a stone.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I suppose it is better to say nothing, and be thought of as numb...than open your gob and confirm it.

Although pre-election victories, they were all more than happy to use this forum to publicly gob off, and spout the political ideologies.

Some of them even used to come on here, demanding answers from the then ruling party on H.B.C.

Strange old world.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by garinda

Although pre-election victories, they were all more than happy to use this forum to publicly gob off, and spout the political ideologies.

Some of them even used to come on here, demanding answers from the then ruling party on H.B.C.

Strange old world.

yes i too remember almost daily postings of what evil the council was doing and demands for an explination as to why.It also seemed to be suggested that the then council in power did not care what the poeple thought and therefore didnt need to explain themselves.

there may not be leaflets going out about the betrayal and lack of explinations for things like the kashmir incident but accyweb is a very much read website with thousands of guest viewers each day .I mean someone must have thought it reached enough people or they wouldnt have come here using the forum to batter the oppositioin

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

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Strange old world.

The saddest thing is that we keep expecting things to be different when they actually all become just more of the same.

The hardest thing is to pinpoint the moment when this change in attitude came about among those in political roles, when did the rot set in? (I personally would go back to the mid-eighties)

What actually caused it and how can we rectify the situation?

I suspect that making a political career a little less lucrative may be a major part of the answer.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by accyman

yes i too remember almost daily postings of what evil the council was doing and demands for an explination as to why.It also seemed to be suggested that the then council in power did not care what the poeple thought and therefore didnt need to explain themselves.

.I mean someone must have thought it reached enough people or they wouldnt have come here using the forum to batter the oppositioin

This is a local forum essentially, although it is world-wide.

It is right that an opposition do their job -highlighting what they think is incorrect about an administration.

There should be debate and for it to be balanced all sides should use the pubblic forum, of whatever medium, in order for democracy to be achieved..

Otherwise you end up with what we seem to have now -all of "them" thinking they know better and not maintaining a healthy debate and being accountable to those who voted for them -whichever party they may represent..

[accyman]

i agree it is right for opposition to point out failings but it is also very hypocrytical for them to do exactly what they accused the other party of doing onve they get into power.

they came on here assuring us of a more open council but as soon as a question is asked they dont like they shut up shop and are never heard of again.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by accyman

i agree it is right for opposition to point out failings but it is also very hypocrytical for them to do exactly what they accused the other party of doing onve they get into power.

they came on here assuring us of a more open council but as soon as a question is asked they dont like they shut up shop and are never heard of again.

[Less]

Originally Posted by mobertol

The hardest thing is to pinpoint the moment when this change in attitude came about among those in political roles, when did the rot set in? (I personally would go back to the mid-eighties)

Well, So far as the Labour candidates for the positions of Councillors is concerned it isn't difficult to pin point at all.
Right up until the last election they were on here daily, now they have control of Hyndburn, but no conversation, they don't have control of AccyWeb, long may the awkward questions still be asked on here, (no matter which party), but woe betide any party that tries to take us for the ride like our so called friends in the Labour party did, we will be waiting for hell to freeze over before we fall for their 'open promises', again.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Re: I'm a bit disappointed really
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda
Probably because, as he stated, 95% of us 'don't give a toss about Europe'.

Which means he's wrong...once again.

Thats probably why he and his ilk find it hard to come on her and explain their actions, would appear Accyweb has outlived its usefulness



Actually, he was on here yesterday evening between about 10 and 10-30 - I "saw" him reading this thread and the other one "Did G-Jones do the right thing.." he took his time and it must have made pretty uncomfortable reading. Don't think he posted any comments -but he should have got your message by now!

Shame none of you were around to challenge him

Wyn has tried that before mobertol, but it had no effect, think he's a bit

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

Well, So far as the Labour candidates for the positions of Councillors is concerned it isn't difficult to pin point at all.
Right up until the last election they were on here daily, now they have control of Hyndburn, but no conversation, they don't have control of AccyWeb, long may the awkward questions still be asked on here, (no matter which party), but woe betide any party that tries to take us for the ride like our so called friends in the Labour party did, we will be waiting for hell to freeze over before we fall for their 'open promises', again.

Yup.

They might have taken a vow of silence, but you can bet your sweet bippy the people will carry on just the same, saying what's on their mind.

Good old Accy Web.

Bring it on.

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Wyn has tried that before mobertol, but it had effect, think he's a bit

Sometimes you make sense, what went wrong this time?