I'm going outside now, I may be some time

[wallop79]

Once a prat always a prat, prima donna Britcliffe, do us all a favour & bog off for good.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Cllr Britcliffe made a spectacular early exit from a meeting yesterday, this time at Cabinet. After leaving an Overview and Scrutiny Committee meeting in May, the ejection from Full Council in June and then the en masse walkout from Full Council in September I'm just wondering if this is a new trademark?

Bye bye 'good news', hello Captain Oates....

Just enough information to sensationalise a point but no details so others can make an informed opinion.

Maybe he needed the loo

[Margaret Pilkington]

Neil, come on, you wouldn't leave a meeting in a 'spectacular'(and I know this is a very subjective word)way if you were just popping out for a pee.......you would excuse yourself and go. Why would Ken need to sensationalise the situation?
No, it sounds childish and petulant!

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson

A fragrant breach ? This sort of thing leaves a bad smell. Kick up a stink, Ken.

The fragrance around most politicians is similar to that of the outhouse at my buddy's hunting camp

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by Eric

The fragrance around most politicians is similar to that of the outhouse at my buddy's hunting camp

Just out of interest, Eric, what would be the reaction in Mohican Falls (or wherever the hell it is you live). Would a councillor guilty of such a breach of protocol get suspended? Disbarred? Sectioned to the local loony bin?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Why would Ken need to sensationalise the situation?
No, it sounds childish and petulant!

Maybe this is the only way he can win a do, safe in the knowledge that, as usual Britcliffe won't be about to shoot him down in flames

[Margaret Pilkington]

John, I appreciate what you are saying, but Ken doesn't usually employ these kind of tactics(IMHO).
Someone sensibly said earlier that you cannot influence events by walking out of a meeting...you can only influence them by being part of the discussion..
I stand by my earlier comments....and would go so far as to say 'if you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen'.
I think PB has probably had people do his bidding in the past, and finds it a bit tedious to not have the power anymore.

[lindsay ormerod]

Sorry but if ( and it wouldn't happen until hell froze over) I had voted for Cllr Britcliffe and he kept flouncing off instead of being there to represent me I would be pretty niffed off, it is relevant no matter what Mr Farrer ( who seems to fall out with PB when it suits him) says.
If he has indeed suffered some personal crisis , then if he let his colleagues know I'm sure there would be steps taken to ensure this kind of situation didn't happen, but as it is it smacks of him being pompous and publicity seeking all over again.

[cashman]

How anyone can defend this pompous clown is beyond belief.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

John, I appreciate what you are saying, but Ken doesn't usually employ these kind of tactics(IMHO).
Someone sensibly said earlier that you cannot influence events by walking out of a meeting...you can only influence them by being part of the discussion..
I stand by my earlier comments....and would go so far as to say 'if you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen'.
I think PB has probably had people do his bidding in the past, and finds it a bit tedious to not have the power anymore.

Its a pity really that the council now seems leaderless, if your the leader then you should take on the mantle and whats goes with it, its no use having a column in the local rag called the Leaders Column, yet the leader never uses it but nominates somebody to fill the space, its a bit like David Cameron or Gorden Brown conducting business in the house then refusing to take or present yourself to the media, if your the leader your the leader, and entails everything which goes with the office, and all this crap about we're all working together is a total nonsense, do you think for one minute that if Jonesie was still around the same thing would have happened, not a snowball in hells chance. The council now resembles an headless chicken with nobody in charge

[garinda]

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod

Sorry but if ( and it wouldn't happen until hell froze over) I had voted for Cllr Britcliffe and he kept flouncing off instead of being there to represent me I would be pretty niffed off, it is relevant no matter what Mr Farrer ( who seems to fall out with PB when it suits him) says.
If he has indeed suffered some personal crisis , then if he let his colleagues know I'm sure there would be steps taken to ensure this kind of situation didn't happen, but as it is it smacks of him being pompous and publicity seeking all over again.

I wish I hadn't posted about him finding his/my friend dead.

Partly because it's personal, and more likely, nothing to do with him leaving the meeting.

I'd only just woken up, and it was the first thing to cross my mind.

Come on Ken.

Less Sun headline writer, and more facts.

How long before the meeting ended did he leave?

Was it connected to something being discussed?

What exactly defines a 'spectaculat' exit?

Was it similar to Anne Widdecombe being hoisted on trick wires on Strictly, and flying off at great speed?

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Its a pity really that the council now seems leaderless, if your the leader then you should take on the mantle and whats goes with it, its no use having a column in the local rag called the Leaders Column, yet the leader never uses it but nominates somebody to fill the space, its a bit like David Cameron or Gorden Brown conducting business in the house then refusing to take or present yourself to the media, if your the leader your the leader, and entails everything which goes with the office, and all this crap about we're all working together is a total nonsense, do you think for one minute that if Jonesie was still around the same thing would have happened, not a snowball in hells chance. The council now resembles an headless chicken with nobody in charge

I must respectfully disagree there, John. I have to say that the entire mood up at Scaitcliffe House has changed drastically since May and in my opinion for the better. I want a Leader I can go to with problems or ideas and be pointed in the right direction, not someone who pontificates like some tinpot Solomon in public meetings and I'm happy to say that Miles willingly shares the limelight in order to create a team ethic. This to me is better leadership than claiming credit for everything under the sun in a weekly column.

I was unaware of Peter's personal issues and indeed I have had my own recently but sincerely hope that it has not affected my performance as a councillor. I may only have been here 17 months but I flatter myself I have at least a whiff of professionalism about me. Cllr Britcliffe does not strike me as a man to use such things as an excuse either, in fairness to him.

However, this repeated 'walking out' appears to me to be little more than political showboating.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

I must respectfully disagree there, John. I have to say that the entire mood up at Scaitcliffe House has changed drastically since May and in my opinion for the better. I want a Leader I can go to with problems or ideas and be pointed in the right direction, not someone who pontificates like some tinpot Solomon in public meetings and I'm happy to say that Miles willingly shares the limelight in order to create a team ethic. This to me is better leadership than claiming credit for everything under the sun in a weekly column.

I was unaware of Peter's personal issues and indeed I have had my own recently but sincerely hope that it has not affected my performance as a councillor. I may only have been here 17 months but I flatter myself I have at least a whiff of professionalism about me. Cllr Britcliffe does not strike me as a man to use such things as an excuse either, in fairness to him.

However, this repeated 'walking out' appears to me to be little more than political showboating.

Ken you can't Bullshine a Bullshiner mate, a leaders has to be a leader in every aspect, even more so in the public perception more than anything, Miles is a nice man and a good councillors but he hasn't got what it takes to be a leader, sorry

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Ken you can't Bullshine a Bullshiner mate, a leaders has to be a leader in every aspect, even more so in the public perception more than anything, Miles is a nice man and a good councillors but he hasn't got what it takes to be a leader, sorry

We're going to have to agree to differ on this one. It's never been a secret that Miles is not a publicity junkie but have you ever seen him chair a meeting?

Yesterday at Cabinet there was no deliberate political sniping, just facts and regrettably that included making references to the government's decisions and their implications for Hyndburn Council. They were given as facts, not used as an excuse to blast the coalition but Cllr Britcliffe seemed to be determined to try and turn it into a political warzone at every opportunity. I was also disappointed that even Cllr Roberts made a jibe regarding the Labour group and Accrington Stanley as I have always found his style of presentation to be very professional and factual rather than attempting to score points.

The vast majority of those present as spectators were members of the council so why attempt to make things antagonistic to score points, who was swayed by it? In addition to that, we had a young man who was Leader for a Day and I don't think it portrays council work in a very good light if members are seen to be storming out over a difference of views or raising their voices in such a heated manner (and I include myself regarding the latter).

Personal opinion, but I think councillors should be better than that.

[mobertol]

I'm afraid I don't know the person who you're all talking about - as a person who always avoids conflict and is subject to emotional involvement i can empathise with him and feel sorry when someone gets savaged by the pack...I'm sure he is a genuine human being in a difficult period of his life.