Is Graham The Last Hyndburn MP ?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Were they joined at the hip ?

precisely Dave, could never understand why they were paired with ribble valley don't think they had any common boarders at all

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Those changes Jen were bloody stupid, no rhyme or reason to them, taking two wards out of Hassy and sticking them onto Hyndburn was barmy

Bernard knows what my thoughts of that was ... in fact he ended up as referee ... i went to preston to speak against it .. first time i'd ever done something like that .. felt like i was in a court (though id never been in one going off judge john deed and crown court) lol... surrounded by lawyers from london .. and 3 people sat above like a judge ... anyway at least i can say i did it .. but will say this .. hyndburn labour party backed it .. conservatives backed it ... but little haslingden labour party was stuck on its own .. disagreeing with it ...

oh dont get me started .. i'll go nuts again ...

[g jones]

Blackburn & Chapeltown Bastwell 4502 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Beardwood with Lammack 4505 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Corporation Park 4838 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Earcroft 3630 Rossendale and Darwen
Blackburn & Chapeltown East Rural 1849 Rossendale and Darwen
Blackburn & Chapeltown Ewood 5198 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Fernhurst 4207 Rossendale and Darwen
Blackburn & Chapeltown Higher Croft 5622 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Livesey with Pleasington 5414 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Marsh House 5292 Rossendale and Darwen
Blackburn & Chapeltown Meadowhead 4685 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Mill Hill 5314 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown North Turton with Tockholes 3407 Rossendale and Darwen
Blackburn & Chapeltown Queen's Park 4136 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Shear Brow 4661 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Sudell 5771 Rossendale and Darwen
Blackburn & Chapeltown Sunnyhurst 4868 Rossendale and Darwen
Blackburn & Chapeltown Wensley Fold 4770 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Whitehall 3488 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Bank Hall 4494 Burnley
Rawtenstall & Burnley Brunshaw 4973 Burnley
Rawtenstall & Burnley Cliviger with Worsthorne 4165 Burnley
Rawtenstall & Burnley Coal Clough with Deerplay 4370 Burnley
Rawtenstall & Burnley Cribden 2716 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Daneshouse with Stoneyholme 3367 Burnley
Rawtenstall & Burnley Eden 3113 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Facit and Shawforth 2918 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Goodshaw 3069 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Greenfield 4470 Hyndburn
Rawtenstall & Burnley Greensclough 4637 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Hareholme 4547 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Healey and Whitworth 2998 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Helmshore 4657 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Irwell 4298 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Longholme 4350 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Rosegrove with Lowerhouse 4653 Burnley
Rawtenstall & Burnley Rosehill with Burnley Wood 4987 Burnley
Rawtenstall & Burnley Stacksteads 3298 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Trinity 4547 Burnley
Rawtenstall & Burnley Whitewell 4615 Rossendale and Darwen
Rawtenstall & Burnley Worsley 4675 Hyndburn
Nelson & Colne Barrowford 4363 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Blacko and Higherford 1574 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Boulsworth 4400 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Bradley 4745 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Briercliffe 4156 Burnley
Nelson & Colne Brierfield 3795 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Clover Hill 4142 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Coates 4518 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Earby 5192 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Foulridge 1517 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Horsfield 4322 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Lanehead 4333 Burnley
Nelson & Colne Marsden 2841 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Old Laund Booth 1296 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Queensgate 4701 Burnley
Nelson & Colne Reedley 4390 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Southfield 4572 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Vivary Bridge 4400 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Walverden 2835 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Waterside 4130 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Whitefield 2671 Pendle
Nelson & Colne Whittlefield with Ightenhill 4795 Burnley
Accrington & Rishton Altham 4085 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Audley 5819 Blackburn
Accrington & Rishton Barnfield 3861 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Baxenden 3501 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Central 3364 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Church 3519 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Clayton-le-Moors 3925 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Gannow 4569 Burnley
Accrington & Rishton Gawthorpe 4853 Burnley
Accrington & Rishton Hapton with Park 4839 Burnley
Accrington & Rishton Huncoat 3585 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Immanuel 3953 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Little Harwood 4291 Blackburn
Accrington & Rishton Milnshaw 3708 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Peel 3683 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Rishton 5557 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton Shadsworth with Whitebirk 5813 Blackburn
Accrington & Rishton Spring Hill 4030 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton St. Andrew's 3764 Hyndburn
Accrington & Rishton St. Oswald's 5186 Hyndburn
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Anchorsholme 5765 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Bourne 5642 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Breck 3045 Wyre and Preston North
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Carleton 3629 Wyre and Preston North
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Cleveleys Park 5567 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Hardhorn 3243 Wyre and Preston North
Fleetwood & Cleveleys High Cross 3425 Wyre and Preston North
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Ingthorpe 5362 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Jubilee 3939 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Mount 3530 Lancaster and Fleetwood
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Norbreck 5257 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Norcross 3385 Wyre and Preston North
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Park 3579 Lancaster and Fleetwood
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Pharos 5600 Lancaster and Fleetwood
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Rossall 5325 Lancaster and Fleetwood
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Staina 5496 Wyre and Preston North
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Tithebarn 3790 Wyre and Preston North
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Victoria 5392 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Fleetwood & Cleveleys Warren 5050 Lancaster and Fleetwood
Blackpool Bispham 5088 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Blackpool Bloomfield 5515 Blackpool South
Blackpool Brunswick 5954 Blackpool South
Blackpool Claremont 6246 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Blackpool Clifton 5679 Blackpool South
Blackpool Greenlands 5546 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Blackpool Hawes Side 5692 Blackpool South
Blackpool Layton 5607 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Blackpool Marton 5655 Blackpool South
Blackpool Park 5978 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Blackpool Talbot 5504 Blackpool South
Blackpool Tyldesley 5705 Blackpool South
Blackpool Victoria 5397 Blackpool South
Blackpool Warbreck 5219 Blackpool North and Cleveleys
Blackpool Waterloo 5376 Blackpool South
Wrea Green & Warton Ansdell 3817 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Ashton 4237 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Central 3820 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Clifton 4157 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Elswick and Little Eccleston 1269 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Fairhaven 4222 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Freckleton East 2614 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Freckleton West 2448 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Heyhouses 4134 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Highfield 5421 Blackpool South
Wrea Green & Warton Kilnhouse 3500 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Kirkham North 3370 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Kirkham South 2629 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Lea 4446 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Medlar-with-Wesham 2749 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Newton and Treales 2540 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Park 4384 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Ribby-with-Wrea 1228 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Singleton and Greenhalgh 1199 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Squires Gate 5194 Blackpool South
Wrea Green & Warton St. Johns 3991 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton St. Leonards 3961 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Staining and Weeton 2744 Fylde
Wrea Green & Warton Stanley 5569 Blackpool South
Wrea Green & Warton Warton and Westby 4013 Fylde
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Aighton, Bailey and Chaigley 1283 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Alston and Hothersall 2305 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Billington and Old Langho 2653 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Bowland, Newton and Slaidburn 1312 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Chatburn 1109 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Chipping 1240 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Clayton-le-Dale with Ramsgreave 2327 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Craven 4770 Pendle
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Derby and Thornley 2625 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Dilworth 2285 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Edisford and Low Moor 2633 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Gisburn, Rimington 1246 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Higham and Pendleside 1466 Pendle
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Langho 2089 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Littlemoor 2679 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Mellor 2595 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Netherton 3741 Hyndburn
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Overton 5348 Hyndburn
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Preston Rural East 3428 Wyre and Preston North
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Preston Rural North 5028 Wyre and Preston North
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Primrose 2604 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Read and Simonstone 2451 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Ribchester 1397 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Roe Lee 4829 Blackburn
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Sabden 1288 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Salthill 2675 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Sharoe Green 5183 Wyre and Preston North
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick St. Mary's 2475 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Waddington and West Bradford 2725 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Whalley 3095 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Wilpshire 2331 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Wiswell and Pendleton 1167 Ribble Valley

[g jones]

I have just noticed they have changed the names of the constituencies from the original which was Accrington and Oswaldtwsitle.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by claytonender

The really serious aspect of all the boundary changes is that there is no provision in the Act of Parliament for any appeal once the boundary commission had decided the constituency boundaries (in fact the bill abolishes the right of appeal against the boundary commission decisions). The new seats will be based on the December 2010 electoral role - and it is widely acknowledged that there are over 3.5 million people eligible to vote are will not be registered.

Also some council wards (and even polling districts) might be split between constituencies.

This really does appear to be gerrymandering on a huge scale.

Gerrymandering? Do you know something we don't about the independent boundary commission or is this just posturing?

[shillelagh]

andrew ... when i was arguing against haslingden going into hyndburn .. you didnt have the right to appeal against the decision .. they listened to peoples views .. and then said well this is it ..

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by g jones;860394

Blackburn & Chapeltown Bastwell 4502 Blackburn
Blackburn & Chapeltown Beardwood with Lammack 4505 Blackburn
Whalley 3095 Ribble Valley
Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Wilpshire 2331 Ribble Valley

Clitheroe & Barnoldswick Wiswell and Pendleton 1167 Ribble Valley

Whats all this about Graham? You've not been on the pop already in the Palace of Westminster, have you? I know there has been a few riots outside this afternoon but this is no excuse to lock yourself in and start the Karaoke Party a day early. I do hope you've not been in a fight - I know there was a big scrap there last thursday with one of your fellow Labour MP's and someone trying to earn an honest living by giving away the local evening rag.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Whats all this about Graham? You've not been on the pop already in the Palace of Westminster, have you? I know there has been a few riots outside this afternoon but this is no excuse to lock yourself in and start the Karaoke Party a day early. I do hope you've not been in a fight - I know there was a big scrap there last thursday with one of your fellow Labour MP's and someone trying to earn an honest living by giving away the local evening rag.

The Electoral Reform Society came up with what they thought the new seats might be. I think Graham has posted a list of what they think will be the constituencies. The list is first the new name of constituency, then the ward name, then the former name of the constituency that the ward was in.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by g jones

I have just noticed they have changed the names of the constituencies from the original which was Accrington and Oswaldtwsitle.

I've quoted on this post because I didn't want to take up too much space, I take it then Graham that these are the "NEW" constituencies as set out by the EC, well excuse the language but they're bloody horrendous, its a total nonsense. I'm taking it that councils such as Hyndburn and Rossendale will not alter, just the Westminster seats, these people don't live in the real world, beam me up Scotty

[steeljack]

Shadsworth, Audley and Little Harwood in and Gt. Harwood out , well I suppose thats 'gerrymandering' on the plus side for Labour , though I expect it will make candidate selection a bit more colourful

[Bernard Dawson]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

oh my ... jake berry should actually check his history .... rossendale and darwen constituency as in the constituency he won ... as only been into being since 1997 .. not since 1983 .. seeing as in 1983 the constituency also covered haslingden .... because the constituency changed at the 1997 election ... ask bernard .. that was my first argument with him .. and he actually ended up trying to be the peacemaker .. oh dont get me started about boundary commission ...

Just think of all the benefits that you've had up there since you had the good sense to come in with Hyndburn. I must say also I like the peacemaker bit. I've been called a lot of things in the past as you well know, but never peacemaker.

[claytonender]

This is a link to the Electoral Reform Society's website (it also gives information about another important part of the Bill -individual voter registration)
Electoral Reform Society

[g jones]

Gerrymandering because the only basis for this change is picking a number which hurts the other party the most. 600 hurts Labour, 585 hurts Labour and Liberals and 500 hurts the Tories electorally.

The two Scottish isles get to remain outside of this at 22,000 and not much more because they are Liberal Democrat.

The ERS have taken the constituencies and bill and come up with binderies that fit the new rules.

For the first time, the right of public appeal has been withdrawn.

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

Just think of all the benefits that you've had up there since you had the good sense to come in with Hyndburn. I must say also I like the peacemaker bit. I've been called a lot of things in the past as you well know, but never peacemaker.

what benefits ....

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

what benefits ....

You get to meet friendly people from Hyndburn - such as Bernard and myself.