Is Grooming a racist issue

[jaysay]

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...46471029,d.ZWUAfter the Oxford case of grooming convicted a gang of Asian men of grooming young white girls for sex, this being on top of the Rochdale game being convicted of similar offences, its being suggested that its not a race issue, I for one don't agree, I never bothered with the latest case but wasn't one bit surprised when the 7 men jailed were all Asians, Its appeared to me that these gangs think anything's fair game so long as they're not Asian which would upset the Elders

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It shouldn't be a racist issue but no doubt it is.
Anyone grooming or mistreating young girls of any race should be abhored by everyone within all communities and must be dealt with by the full force of the law.

[accyman]

were they grooming asian girls as well and if not why not

maybe these asian peverts are racists ?

i think the last person that spoke out saying it was a problem within asian culture he got a right load of hassle so best say its not a race thing

[davebtelford]

I would say it's a culture clash rather than a race thing. Muslim girls (& women) are kept on a tight rein whereas white girls are allowed a fair degree of freedom by their parents or are effectively let loose by family break-up and lax social care. Young Muslim men have the testosterone drive and opportunity (working as taxi drivers & in take-aways) to take advantage in criminal ways. It needs an all round effort by parents, social services, police, judiciary & Muslim community leaders to protect the girls, deter potential perpetrators & catch and punish the guilty.

[cashman]

That to me is where it will always fall Down, To many Muslim Leaders will NOT co-operate with British Law n Order.

[duggie]

cut thier goolies off, they won't do it again

[westendlass]

Also, I would like to know why the press is reluctant to use the word paedophiles. If they were white they'd be classed as a paedophile ring.

[DaveinGermany]

On the face of it it would appear to be the case, that said though there are enough cases of Afro Caribbean, Caucasian, Christian offenders committing sexual offences/paedophilia upon youths both male & female.

The press instigate the premise that it's racially orientated thereby increasing the furore & outrage. The cultural leaders of the ethnic groups involved do little to assuage this preconception & so it goes on.

Until all cases are dealt with equally harshly & efficiently be they committed by white Europeans, black Africans or brown Asians, the heinous offences will continue & the losers in all this will not only be the poor abused victims but our own humanity.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by davebtelford

I would say it's a culture clash rather than a race thing. Muslim girls (& women) are kept on a tight rein whereas white girls are allowed a fair degree of freedom by their parents or are effectively let loose by family break-up and lax social care. Young Muslim men have the testosterone drive and opportunity (working as taxi drivers & in take-aways) to take advantage in criminal ways. It needs an all round effort by parents, social services, police, judiciary & Muslim community leaders to protect the girls, deter potential perpetrators & catch and punish the guilty.

Originally Posted by cashman

That to me is where it will always fall Down, To many Muslim Leaders will NOT co-operate with British Law n Order.

I don't honestly think its a racist issue, its what i said in me earlier post that makes it seem that way to some people? Therefore rather than protect there community, they are doing more harm than good in my view.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by davebtelford

I would say it's a culture clash rather than a race thing. Muslim girls (& women) are kept on a tight rein whereas white girls are allowed a fair degree of freedom by their parents or are effectively let loose by family break-up and lax social care. .

From my reading of it race does come into the equation though in a warped twist. Think of it as essentially a Victorian society that has landed like Dr Who's Tardis on a liberal, permissive planet it despises. The pimps teach the victim that her parents are racist towards Asians which is why they dissaprove of their relationship.* Gang members grown wise to the wimpy ways of Western society and exploiting our police newly trained in cultural sensitivity who in turn are terrified of being accused of racism.

* Nothing of course to do with them being violent, sadistic, controlling thugs of course.

[claytonx]

Originally Posted by davebtelford

I would say it's a culture clash rather than a race thing. Muslim girls (& women) are kept on a tight rein whereas white girls are allowed a fair degree of freedom by their parents or are effectively let loose by family break-up and lax social care. Young Muslim men have the testosterone drive and opportunity (working as taxi drivers & in take-aways) to take advantage in criminal ways. It needs an all round effort by parents, social services, police, judiciary & Muslim community leaders to protect the girls, deter potential perpetrators & catch and punish the guilty.

I do think if they treated Muslim girls the same as they have treated white girls, the parents of the Muslim girls would see it came to an end. A dead end.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Muslim men see white girls as'trash'....worthless, less than the dirt on their shoes......they are kuffars - non believers so they can be used in anyway that these men see fit.

This situation has been going on for many years........mainly by men of Pakistani origin.

It is known of in their communities and nothing is said against these men, and nothing is done by the imams to bring it to a halt.
What has made the situation much worse is, that we have become so PC that if anyone was to say anything about it they would be deemed racist(when in actual fact what these Pakistani men are doing is racist) - they do not pick on girls of their own culture. They know that this would be something that the community to which they belong, would not stand for.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Muslim men see white girls as'trash'....worthless, less than the dirt on their shoes......they are kuffars - non believers so they can be used in anyway that these men see fit.

This situation has been going on for many years........mainly by men of Pakistani origin.

It is known of in their communities and nothing is said against these men, and nothing is done by the imams to bring it to a halt.
What has made the situation much worse is, that we have become so PC that if anyone was to say anything about it they would be deemed racist(when in actual fact what these Pakistani men are doing is racist) - they do not pick on girls of their own culture. They know that this would be something that the community to which they belong, would not stand for.

Just to back that up Margaret... Nottingham Crown Court in January. Adil Rashid raped an underage girl and was spared jailtime after the judge heard the naive 18 year old attended an Islamic school where he was taught that women are worthless. Where was this school not some madrassa in Karachi...no no no... Birmingham . The school incidentally couldn't be named for "legal" reasons but it was said it is voluntary-aided-mainly funded by us the taxpayer.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Muslim men see white girls as'trash'....worthless, less than the dirt on their shoes......they are kuffars - non believers so they can be used in anyway that these men see fit.

This situation has been going on for many years........mainly by men of Pakistani origin.

It is known of in their communities and nothing is said against these men, and nothing is done by the imams to bring it to a halt.
What has made the situation much worse is, that we have become so PC that if anyone was to say anything about it they would be deemed racist(when in actual fact what these Pakistani men are doing is racist) - they do not pick on girls of their own culture. They know that this would be something that the community to which they belong, would not stand for.

Exactly what i was alluding to, but yeh put it so much better Margaret.

[jaysay]

Was reading in one of the papers this morning that the mother of two of the Asians jailed in Oxford, is blaming the girls and that her two boys (31 and 32 year olds) are totally innocent, seems about par for the course