Is it time to bring back national ID cards?

Neil · 26-05-2017, 20:12

The thread title says it all. We need a way of proving who people are and what entitlements they have in this country. It's over 10 years since the liberal do gooders whinged and moaned about us becoming a police state if we had to have and card ID cards. Look at what has happened in the last 10 years, we need to bring them back.

Rowlf · 26-05-2017, 20:30

I could not agree more Neil. I would be ok I still have mine !!!! I do not see how any right minded folk could oppose bringing them back. Anything that makes us safer certainly has my backing.

cashman · 26-05-2017, 20:59

100% sure Neil.

Margaret Pilkington · 26-05-2017, 21:13

No, I do not want an ID card...we have had this discussion before in the past.
Nothing has happened that changes my mind.

How will having ID cards change anything?
If I need hospital treatment I have proof of my NI number (and a hospital number too)which proves my entitlement.
What else would I need identification for.
The HMRC know who I am and where to find me...the DWP also have all my details. The DVLA too.

I do not consider myself a hand wringing liberal...in fact I am so far from that I couldn't be any further away if I tried.

Neil what is it that has happened in the last ten years....what precisely is it you are referring to?
Immigration, security?

I do not see how having and ID card would improve things...after all if they can clone bank cards, then an ID card would be small beer....who is going to looking at these ID cards? Who is going to be checking who you are? For what reason?

They are something that is totally unnecessary and I am sure they would come at a cost...would have to be renewed.
There are many ways already in existence which allow you to,prove who you are, you do not need to add another one to the mix.

Margaret Pilkington · 26-05-2017, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Rowlf

I could not agree more Neil. I would be ok I still have mine !!!! I do not see how any right minded folk could oppose bringing them back. Anything that makes us safer certainly has my backing.

You would be OK because you still have yours.
In the time that you have had it, how many times have you been required to present it?
Who was it who wanted to see your ID?
Could you have presented an alternative...say a driving licence, a passport?
I carried ID on a daily basis when I was working. I cannot say that my identity was ever challenged...or that I was ever asked to prove who I was.
So I do not see any point at this stage of my life in being required to carry an ID card...but if you WANT to carry one, if it makes you feel in any way safer, then that is fine...but don't make them compulsory because I won't use one.

maxthecollie · 26-05-2017, 22:18

I carried a gas safe card with me when I was working .I only got asked for it once in 30years

Barrie Yates · 26-05-2017, 23:32

Never had a problem with ID cards - had one for 18 years in the RAF, Company and Saudi ID cards for 17 years whilst in Saudi Arabia, plus my Company ID card when visiting Company plants in Maryland and Puerto Rica. No different than a UK photo Driving Licence really. Anybody with nothing to hide should have no fears whatsoever about carrying one. It will make security a lot more effective.

Neil · 26-05-2017, 23:33

There are many ways to ID yourself to different organisations but it makes sense to have one way acceptable to all.

Margaret Pilkington · 27-05-2017, 07:01

No Neil, the ways we have now should be acceptable to anyone who needs to know who you are...though the only place I have been asked for ID is in the bank...and that was only because I was acting as agent for my Ma...and they accepted my bank card as ID...oh, I lie...I have been asked for ID at the post office when picking up a parcel...and they also accepted my bank card.

I have not been required to present ID for dental treatment(which I pay for anyway), or for hospital treatment...or for anything else.
As I said previously, if coins and bank cards can be easily faked, then it would present the criminals with opportunities to set up a lucrative market for those who needed one.
I will not carry one.
The authorities can all find me, they know where I am, they know who I am.
I am not the one going about with my face covered.
We do not need another level of bureaucracy.

Margaret Pilkington · 27-05-2017, 07:13

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Never had a problem with ID cards - had one for 18 years in the RAF, Company and Saudi ID cards for 17 years whilst in Saudi Arabia, plus my Company ID card when visiting Company plants in Maryland and Puerto Rica. No different than a UK photo Driving Licence really. Anybody with nothing to hide should have no fears whatsoever about carrying one. It will make security a lot more effective.

Barrie, I have nothing to hide...but see no valid reason for having one.
I also carried ID whilst working for the NHS...it NEVER needed presenting.
I was NEVER asked for it.
How will it make security more effective?
We do not know who is in this country and that is a fact. This is because our border controls are laughable
Not only that, for those who have malicious intent, those who want to do us harm...they would easily get faked documents. So it makes a mockery of the fact that law abiding people carry something which they feel makes them legitimate, and those who are illegals can fake them to thwart the authorities.

If they are voluntary, if you actually want to carry another bit of stuff.If it,makes you think a terrorist bomber won't blow you up in some public place while you are going about your daily doing...then you have one.

I can prove who I am without one...in more than one format...so I will not be having one.
Here endeth my input to this thread. I have said it all before...I'm done.

hilleluk · 27-05-2017, 07:14

I personally do not think that we need an ID card. Agree with nearly all of MP comments.

Margaret Pilkington · 27-05-2017, 12:18

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...y-47273-7.html

accyman · 27-05-2017, 16:33

great idea

no id card

back down the tunnel you go son

used to be against the idea but we let that many unknowns in to teh country something needs doing

Neil · 27-05-2017, 20:19

There is no good reason to not have one. If you ever watch those police stop type TV programs you often see people giving false names and the police spending ages trying to find out who they really are.

I really can't understand why some people think they are a bad idea. I've no problem either with the police having the power to stop people for no reason at all except to check their ID.

Neil · 27-05-2017, 20:20

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Originally Posted by accyman

great idea

no id card

back down the tunnel you go son

used to be against the idea but we let that many unknowns in to teh country something needs doing

Maybe not down the tunnel but detained until you can produce ID to prove who you are.

We are too soft in this country and need to get tough.