is John Wayne dead ?

[bullseyebarb]

Originally Posted by garinda

See. Sometimes you drop the tough guy act, and become just so feminine.

Probably because I am. Still packing heat, though.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Probably because I am. Still packing heat, though.

That'll be the menopause dear.

Try a nice cup of Catnip tea.

[bullseyebarb]

Originally Posted by garinda

That'll be the menopause dear.

Try a nice cup of Catnip tea.

Way, way beyond that.

Say, do you usually stay up this late?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Way, way beyond that.

Say, do you usually stay up this late?

I do when people flirt with me.

[bullseyebarb]

[quote=garinda;414130]I do when people flirt with me.[/quote

It's an art form down here in the South.

[garinda]

[quote=bullseyebarb;414133]

Originally Posted by garinda

I do when people flirt with me.[/quote

It's an art form down here in the South.

Well fiddle di dee Mammy. I'd better get me off to bed, before you spike my mint julep then.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, I agree that we all must take some responsibility for our own safety...but just how far can you take this? And shouldn't someone in Authority be responsible for the collective safety of the students?

Personally I would not like to carry a weapon, because it can be turned and used against me....and I would hope that in a vast public establishment there would be some form of security the required me not to have to worry about a gunman.
Though I would still acquaint myself with the fire exits and procedure.

Maybe I won't move to the USA after all.

[Flash]

Originally Posted by steeljack

Mani , this is the first i have heard about this guy , so please understand I wasn't "digging" at anyone personally , I was just making a generalization that the 'American' media has been playing up the old guy (and his holocaust roots , yawn) as the hero of the tragedy and to my knowledge there has been no mention in the American media of Shaalan Waleed , credit to him and condolences to his family

Please explain what you mean by "his holocaust roots- YAWN" I dont undertsand what this means. Please clarify if these are the rantings of a fool are an anti semitic arse or both?

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by Flash

Please explain what you mean by "his holocaust roots- YAWN" I dont undertsand what this means. Please clarify if these are the rantings of a fool are an anti semitic arse or both?

Niether , just someone who is fed-up with the one sided media reporting, where anyone who 'dares' to say anything about critical about the policies or actions of Israel is condemed as being anti-semetic, and being subjected to constant emotional blackmail over 'our' collective guilt for allowing the operation of death camps in the first half of the last century. (incidentally where is the universal condemnation about Israel having nuclear weapons ? surley they live in the same area which the Govts. in Washington and London want to make nuclear free zones)

Life is tough, the jews aren't the only people who suffered from ethnic cleansing, ask the folks who live around Hirosima and Nagasaki (oh I forgot, the were just slitty eyed Japs) or maybe the Armenians, (remember them ....they were force marched out into the desert .....and none came back). I don't see much being done except hand-wringing and crocodile tears for the folks in Darfur (a region of the Sudan in Africa) where thousands are dying every week thru starvation.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Just to add to the post immediately preceding this one.....here's the take of two Canadians. Eric from Ontario might be interested in their comments. Gosh, does Quebec still count as Canada?

http://www.pierrelemieux.org/artvirginiatech.html
www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/351710,CST-EDT-STEYN22.article

Interestingly enough, Quebec's school massacre at the Ecole Polytechique de Montreal sparked a provincial and national movement against the possession of firearms.

And indeed Quebec is still integral to Canada. The leader of the Federal Liberal party is Stephane Dionne. Before Harper the last two PMs were Quebecois. In a recent Provincial election, the separatiste PLQ ended up in third place after the Liberals and a new rightish party, the Action Democratique.

Oh, and our Govenor General is a black francophone woman from Haiiti.

[bullseyebarb]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes, I agree that we all must take some responsibility for our own safety...but just how far can you take this? And shouldn't someone in Authority be responsible for the collective safety of the students?

Personally I would not like to carry a weapon, because it can be turned and used against me....and I would hope that in a vast public establishment there would be some form of security the required me not to have to worry about a gunman.
Though I would still acquaint myself with the fire exits and procedure.

Maybe I won't move to the USA after all.

Margaret, you have far more faith in the public establishment than I do. How likely is it that a policeman is going to be there in your hour of need? I'd much rather read stories like the one in the following link than see another Virginia Tech.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267540,00.html

[WillowTheWhisp]

But look at what happens here to people who try to intervene. If this had happened in England and someone had had a gun and shot the guy who was killing students that person would have been arrested for murder.

[garinda]

Facts On Gun Deaths In The USA



The Americans value their constitution and the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment deals with the right to bear arms. Here is the price that ordinary Americans are paying for the privilege



- 8 children a day die in murders, suicides and accidents involving guns



- since John F. Kennedy was assinated more Americans have died from gunshot wounds at home than died in all the wars of the 20th century



- Osama bin Laden would need at least nine twin towers like attacks each year to equal what Americans do to themselves every year with guns.



- Murder rates in LA, NY and Chigago were approaching the hightest in the world (30 per 100,000) until moves were made in late 20th century to restrict access to guns to teenagers. (The NRA wants these moves reversed)





http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/archives/000473.html

[Flash]

Originally Posted by steeljack

Niether , just someone who is fed-up with the one sided media reporting, where anyone who 'dares' to say anything about critical about the policies or actions of Israel is condemed as being anti-semetic, and being subjected to constant emotional blackmail over 'our' collective guilt for allowing the operation of death camps in the first half of the last century. (incidentally where is the universal condemnation about Israel having nuclear weapons ? surley they live in the same area which the Govts. in Washington and London want to make nuclear free zones)

Life is tough, the jews aren't the only people who suffered from ethnic cleansing, ask the folks who live around Hirosima and Nagasaki (oh I forgot, the were just slitty eyed Japs) or maybe the Armenians, (remember them ....they were force marched out into the desert .....and none came back). I don't see much being done except hand-wringing and crocodile tears for the folks in Darfur (a region of the Sudan in Africa) where thousands are dying every week thru starvation.

If your sick of one sided journalism- read a better paper.

Genocide is abhorrent in each and every case throughout history- the comment you made however suggests that your are particlulalry 'bored' with hearing about the jewish holocaust specifically. Perhaps you think it has too much press. To use the term 'life is tough' in connection with this subject I find frankly staggering.
You 'dont see much being done' - well get off your backside and do something then. This is what makes me sick- people who moan and groan about the media, about politics, about society, crime, anti social behaviour, young people etc etc etc but dont actually do anything about it.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by garinda

Facts On Gun Deaths In The USA



The Americans value their constitution and the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment deals with the right to bear arms. Here is the price that ordinary Americans are paying for the privilege



- 8 children a day die in murders, suicides and accidents involving guns



- since John F. Kennedy was assinated more Americans have died from gunshot wounds at home than died in all the wars of the 20th century



- Osama bin Laden would need at least nine twin towers like attacks each year to equal what Americans do to themselves every year with guns.



- Murder rates in LA, NY and Chigago were approaching the hightest in the world (30 per 100,000) until moves were made in late 20th century to restrict access to guns to teenagers. (The NRA wants these moves reversed)





http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/archives/000473.html

The movie "Bowling for Columbine" provides some interesting views of American attitudes to firearms. And it also shows that there is no unanimity in America on the question of firearms. It would be wrong to lump all US citizens in the guntoting redneck camp.

I remember reading in one thread about that the first two ammendments were next to one another for the reason that they are somehow related. To go off topic for a moment, let's look at the issue of flag burning. I find it ironic that those who tout the 2nd ammendment are often those who support a law banning the burning of the American flag. But the right of Americans to burn their flag is guaranteed by the first ammendment. To pass such a law would be to undermine basic freedoms of speech and expression. Why do so many Americans want to emasculate the first ammendment, yet still keep sacrosanct the second?

In my opinion ... and it is opinion only ... the second ammendment like the one dealing with the quartering of troops in private homes (I forget the number) is an anachronism. When there was the potential need for a true citizen army, which is distinctly differnt from a volunteer army, the ammendment had value. I am certain that the founding fathers did not intend that Americans should be able to arm themselves with sophisticated firearms which endanger the lives of innocent civilians.