is socialism dead? and should we care? - Page 4

jaysay · 22-07-2008, 09:32

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Originally Posted by garinda

It's sweet Andrewb's little college chum has returned, to grace us with their wisdom.

Perhaps Andrewb could change his name, once again?

Then they could be co-joined as Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, named after the other absursist, tragic comics.

Don't know Rindi, looks like they're alive and kicking to me

bullseyebarb · 22-07-2008, 15:37

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Originally Posted by Eric

Socialism, in some form, is at the core of many religions: it is hard to read the teachings of Jesus without socialism coming to mind.

Christ exhorts us, as individuals, to care for the poor and sick - not to cede the mission to government.

Socialism, in all its forms, has failed everywhere it's been tried.....a) because it goes against human nature and b) because ultimately it is unsustainable. And yet it seems that many still cling to the notion, in the mistaken belief that it just hasn't yet been implemented correctly. It's latest incarnation is a form of economic fascism. This too will fail.

Benipete · 22-07-2008, 15:56

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Christ exhorts us, as individuals, to care for the poor and sick - not to cede the mission to government.

Socialism, in all its forms, has failed everywhere it's been tried.....a) because it goes against human nature and b) because ultimately it is unsustainable. And yet it seems that many still cling to the notion, in the mistaken belief that it just hasn't yet been implemented correctly. It's latest incarnation is a form of economic fascism. This too will fail.

I agree entirely - we are not all equal some people work harder than others and deserve more from life.I'm even prepared to admit someone out there maybe as good as me.Do you have to shout?

jaysay · 22-07-2008, 16:17

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Christ exhorts us, as individuals, to care for the poor and sick - not to cede the mission to government.

Socialism, in all its forms, has failed everywhere it's been tried.....a) because it goes against human nature and b) because ultimately it is unsustainable. And yet it seems that many still cling to the notion, in the mistaken belief that it just hasn't yet been implemented correctly. It's latest incarnation is a form of economic fascism. This too will fail.

Don't think you can put it much clearer than that Bullseyebarb, Its always said that you could take the wealth of the whole world, share it out equally with all the inhabitants, and within 5 years it would be status quo, the haves would have and have knots would be back where they started

garinda · 22-07-2008, 17:05

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Socialism, in all its forms, has failed everywhere it's been tried.....a) because it goes against human nature and b) because ultimately it is unsustainable. And yet it seems that many still cling to the notion, in the mistaken belief that it just hasn't yet been implemented correctly. It's latest incarnation is a form of economic fascism. This too will fail.

The same could be said of religion too.

jaysay · 22-07-2008, 17:07

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Originally Posted by garinda

The same could be said of religion too.

Don't start on religion Rindi, we've enough with politics

andrewb · 22-07-2008, 17:46

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Christ exhorts us, as individuals, to care for the poor and sick - not to cede the mission to government.

Socialism, in all its forms, has failed everywhere it's been tried.....a) because it goes against human nature and b) because ultimately it is unsustainable. And yet it seems that many still cling to the notion, in the mistaken belief that it just hasn't yet been implemented correctly. It's latest incarnation is a form of economic fascism. This too will fail.

Well said!

steeljack · 22-07-2008, 19:43

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Socialism, in all its forms, has failed everywhere it's been tried.....a) because it goes against human nature and b) because ultimately it is unsustainable. And yet it seems that many still cling to the notion, in the mistaken belief that it just hasn't yet been implemented correctly. It's latest incarnation is a form of economic fascism. This too will fail.

maybe thats why Cuba has a better literacy rate than the US , and maybe thats why more Cubans have better access to basic free health care than lots of innner city urban Americans.
Maybe , just maybe thats why the folks of Cuba kept Fidel Castro in power for so many years (since Eisenhower was president if I'm not mistaken) and not followed the American capitalistic model placed on neighbouring Haiti

Royboy39 · 22-07-2008, 19:57

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Originally Posted by steeljack

maybe thats why Cuba has a better literacy rate than the US , and maybe thats why more Cubans have better access to basic free health care than lots of innner city urban Americans.
Maybe , just maybe thats why the folks of Cuba kept Fidel Castro in power for so many years (since Eisenhower was president if I'm not mistaken) and not followed the American capitalistic model placed on neighbouring Haiti

What's the difference between Americans and Canadians?....They all look the same to me..............

And the Ausies?...........Ausies from Ossy....Canadians from Blackburn.....Americans from Burnley?

Eric · 22-07-2008, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

What's the difference between Americans and Canadians?....They all look the same to me..............

And the Ausies?...........Ausies from Ossy....Canadians from Blackburn.....Americans from Burnley?

Canadians are unarmed Americans with health care, and a high popularity rating

Eric · 22-07-2008, 20:05

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Originally Posted by steeljack

maybe thats why Cuba has a better literacy rate than the US , and maybe thats why more Cubans have better access to basic free health care than lots of innner city urban Americans.
Maybe , just maybe thats why the folks of Cuba kept Fidel Castro in power for so many years (since Eisenhower was president if I'm not mistaken) and not followed the American capitalistic model placed on neighbouring Haiti

Shhh, not so loud .... everyone will want health care and education ....

Royboy39 · 22-07-2008, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Eric

Canadians are unarmed Americans with health care, and a high popularity rating

Ye right...I think I will change that to Canadians from Burnley?

Eric · 22-07-2008, 20:09

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Christ exhorts us, as individuals, to care for the poor and sick - not to cede the mission to government.

Socialism, in all its forms, has failed everywhere it's been tried.....a) because it goes against human nature and b) because ultimately it is unsustainable. And yet it seems that many still cling to the notion, in the mistaken belief that it just hasn't yet been implemented correctly. It's latest incarnation is a form of economic fascism. This too will fail.

You forgot "c": c) Because the US doesn't like it, and is prepared to use all its military and economic might to prevent it.

Eric · 22-07-2008, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

LONG WORDS ARE MEANINGLESS BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM

Me too: I eschew obfuscation.

garinda · 22-07-2008, 20:34

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Originally Posted by steeljack

maybe thats why Cuba has a better literacy rate than the US , and maybe thats why more Cubans have better access to basic free health care than lots of innner city urban Americans.
Maybe , just maybe thats why the folks of Cuba kept Fidel Castro in power for so many years (since Eisenhower was president if I'm not mistaken) and not followed the American capitalistic model placed on neighbouring Haiti

Anymore of that red propoganda and you'll be up against Senator Barb McCarthy.