is this right ? "The Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

So you started all over again? So why would you expect it to be any different?

You'd just get a set of politically minded types, some with left wing opinions and some with right wing opinions.

You're not going to get politicians with the worldview espoused by many on here - ie left wing on the NHS, public services, the welfare state, taxation, but right wing on immigration, law and order, the EU.

Sorry, mate, no such animal.

And thats the problem...'party' politics....

All the tories jump up and down about communist Russia circa 1950-1980...those in power said 'vote the party way or get sent to Siberia'

So tell me what the difference is, when Hug-a-hoodie or EggM brings out the whips to coerce MP's to vote the way they want them to?

Every single MP in the house of lies and deceit has a mind of their own, unfortunately, those that pluck up the courage to use it are consigned to the back benches, never to have a chance at influencing major decisions, support and funding at election time is withdrawn, they are ostracised and eventually screwed. People with that kind of guts are few and far between.

It aint right..I'm a socialist, yet I put my cross for Ken Hargreaves..which pretty much, when you think about it, helped put Thatcher in...I didn't vote for her, didn't want her or her policies and idealism, I voted for the guy who I thought would best represent me, and I was right because thats what he tried to do.

We are all socialists at heart..we want everyone treated fairly, we want to support the sick and needy, we want to help the unemployed, the single parents, those with dementia and learning difficulties. We don't mind immigration as long as the immigrants bring something to our society, we want a fair days pay for a fair days work. We don't mind if the boss has a top of the range car and a nice house if he's put his shift in. We don't want people burnt at the stake or hung drawn and quartered on Tower Bridge, but we do want a judiciary that can hand out sentences and consequences that fit the crime without being hamstrung by ridiculous rules or having their decisions overturned by a quango in another country.

We don't want people making money without putting anything into society, we don't want those muppets on the Apprentice or those who make money gambling on bits of paper on stock market floors, that cause mass unemployment and bank collapses so that they can have another new Porsche and a holiday home in the Bahamas.

All of us..right wing, left wing, midfielder or centre back..whatever the label..want a bit of common sense, a bit of common decency, and someone to speak on our behalf!

Until there is a major overhaul of our outdated party political electoral system...it aint gonna happen

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

So you started all over again? So why would you expect it to be any different?

well what would help would be people could only stand for election if propperly qualified to do the job or at least be well educated.Appearing to be a good egg shoveling crap by cannals for cameras dosnt quite cut it in my opinion and i certainly dont like been told im too thick to understand the EU by someone whos expertees lay in printing.

one huge problem this country has is that you need a NVQ to flip burgers at mcdonalds but you dont need 1 single qualification to help run the country or to have a vote on issues that effect millions of people .Just an ability to lie and pick litter can get you a lot further than a degree.

you are correct there will always be crooks and power hungry people but maybe severe punishments that actually get enforced would help keep them in line.

most of teh labour lot should be in prison as also most of teh tories but teh guy making teh decision on wether they shoudl face charges was himself guilty of fraud.That decision shoudl be removed from government the police shoudl have been allowed to do tehir job.There was evidence and proof crimes had been commited yet they walked free and still remain in their jobs

utter complete bollox is it any wonder people have no faith in our government when the majority fo them should be in prison

the gauling part is these crooks tell us how to behave and what is good for us lmfao

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

Could that be because of whose ward it is?

No Less you can take any ward in England the result would be the same, take Accy Web, we get on here around 180 members who visit the site on a regular basis, you will be luck if 20 of them bother to post on political based threads. as I say a hell of a lot of people don't give a stuff about politics

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by accyman

well what would help would be people could only stand for election if propperly qualified to do the job or at least be well educated.Appearing to be a good egg shoveling crap by cannals for cameras dosnt quite cut it in my opinion and i certainly dont like been told im too thick to understand the EU by someone whos expertees lay in printing.

one huge problem this country has is that you need a NVQ to flip burgers at mcdonalds but you dont need 1 single qualification to help run the country or to have a vote on issues that effect millions of people .Just an ability to lie and pick litter can get you a lot further than a degree.

you are correct there will always be crooks and power hungry people but maybe severe punishments that actually get enforced would help keep them in line.

most of teh labour lot should be in prison as also most of teh tories but teh guy making teh decision on wether they shoudl face charges was himself guilty of fraud.That decision shoudl be removed from government the police shoudl have been allowed to do tehir job.There was evidence and proof crimes had been commited yet they walked free and still remain in their jobs

utter complete bollox is it any wonder people have no faith in our government when the majority fo them should be in prison

the gauling part is these crooks tell us how to behave and what is good for us lmfao

And lets not forget Labour are going to allow 16 year olds the vote, and that there are crooks in all walks of life

[accyman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

And lets not forget Labour are going to allow 16 year olds the vote, and that there are crooks in all walks of life

well i suppose if you can create a baby at 16 or die for your country at 16 you shoudl get a vote and yes there are crooks in all walks of life but when your gang of crooks if masquerading as a government you dont need to fear the law

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Guinness

And thats the problem...'party' politics....

All the tories jump up and down about communist Russia circa 1950-1980...those in power said 'vote the party way or get sent to Siberia'

So tell me what the difference is, when Hug-a-hoodie or EggM brings out the whips to coerce MP's to vote the way they want them to?

Every single MP in the house of lies and deceit has a mind of their own, unfortunately, those that pluck up the courage to use it are consigned to the back benches, never to have a chance at influencing major decisions, support and funding at election time is withdrawn, they are ostracised and eventually screwed. People with that kind of guts are few and far between.

It aint right..I'm a socialist, yet I put my cross for Ken Hargreaves..which pretty much, when you think about it, helped put Thatcher in...I didn't vote for her, didn't want her or her policies and idealism, I voted for the guy who I thought would best represent me, and I was right because thats what he tried to do.

We are all socialists at heart..we want everyone treated fairly, we want to support the sick and needy, we want to help the unemployed, the single parents, those with dementia and learning difficulties. We don't mind immigration as long as the immigrants bring something to our society, we want a fair days pay for a fair days work. We don't mind if the boss has a top of the range car and a nice house if he's put his shift in. We don't want people burnt at the stake or hung drawn and quartered on Tower Bridge, but we do want a judiciary that can hand out sentences and consequences that fit the crime without being hamstrung by ridiculous rules or having their decisions overturned by a quango in another country.

We don't want people making money without putting anything into society, we don't want those muppets on the Apprentice or those who make money gambling on bits of paper on stock market floors, that cause mass unemployment and bank collapses so that they can have another new Porsche and a holiday home in the Bahamas.

All of us..right wing, left wing, midfielder or centre back..whatever the label..want a bit of common sense, a bit of common decency, and someone to speak on our behalf!

Until there is a major overhaul of our outdated party political electoral system...it aint gonna happen

I have never read a more common sense post....it is everything I have been saying in different threads for as long as I have been here.
Well said that man.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by accyman

well i suppose if you can create a baby at 16 or die for your country at 16 you shoudl get a vote and yes there are crooks in all walks of life but when your gang of crooks if masquerading as a government you dont need to fear the law

You can have and father a baby at 10 and your not allowed on active service until your 18 so why let the truth get in the way of a good yarn. There are MPs who do a great job so why lump them altogether, Hyndburn had one of the best constituency MPs you could wish for not to be mistaken by the dogs breakfast we have at the moment.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

There are MPs who do a great job so why lump them altogether, Hyndburn had one of the best constituency MPs you could wish for.

Most people whatever political leanings are well aware of that n have said the same on numerous occasions, But people like that are very few n far between no matter what Party they represent.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

You can have and father a baby at 10 and your not allowed on active service until your 18 so why let the truth get in the way of a good yarn. There are MPs who do a great job so why lump them altogether, Hyndburn had one of the best constituency MPs you could wish for not to be mistaken by the dogs breakfast we have at the moment.

yes but as the saying goes you have to dig through a lot of crap to find a diamond and tehres a lot of crap

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Guinness

We are all socialists at heart..we want everyone treated fairly, we want to support the sick and needy, we want to help the unemployed, the single parents, those with dementia and learning difficulties. We don't mind immigration as long as the immigrants bring something to our society, we want a fair days pay for a fair days work. We don't mind if the boss has a top of the range car and a nice house if he's put his shift in. We don't want people burnt at the stake or hung drawn and quartered on Tower Bridge, but we do want a judiciary that can hand out sentences and consequences that fit the crime without being hamstrung by ridiculous rules or having their decisions overturned by a quango in another country.

We don't want people making money without putting anything into society, we don't want those muppets on the Apprentice or those who make money gambling on bits of paper on stock market floors, that cause mass unemployment and bank collapses so that they can have another new Porsche and a holiday home in the Bahamas.

If a political party appeared with a manifesto like this, they'd have my vote for life!

[Margaret Pilkington]

me too!

[cashman]

And then there were 3.

[Margaret Pilkington]

The thing about a party manifesto is that what they leave out is as important as what they put in......and sometimes they act on what they don't put in, more than the things that are included!

Which is why there is such mistrust of party politics.
No political party was brave enough to put in their manifesto their plans for same sex marriages....why might that have been?
anyway, it still became law........another EU directive!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

If a political party appeared with a manifesto like this, they'd have my vote for life!

There is only one thing about manifesto's Wyn they aren't worth the paper they're written on, as nobody gives a stuff after they've been elected

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by jaysay

There is only one thing about manifesto's Wyn they aren't worth the paper they're written on, as nobody gives a stuff after they've been elected

Can you imagine the ruling Party of the time bringing in a law that required all items included in the party manifestos to be achieved during that parliament