Is this Tesco Director right

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Like any 'generalisation statement', he speaks from his personal experience only.
I imagine that the really intelligent kids wouldn't want a job at Tesco, so he hasn't met them


PS there I go again - making excuses for bigotry

below is a picture of my niece who worked for tescos while getting her Media Production HND, Media and Performance Degree at salford university ..

so if that dont disprove the theory .. what does ..

She worked for them for 4 years .. and they asked her back to help out over the christmas period ..

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

below is a picture of my niece who worked for tescos while getting her Media Production HND, Media and Performance Degree at salford university ..

so if that dont disprove the theory .. what does ..

She worked for them for 4 years .. and they asked her back to help out over the christmas period ..

So she worked there as a stop gap job until her preferred job.
One of my grandsons is doing bar work until he returns to UNI to get his PHD.

[BERNADETTE]

It is simple really, some highly educated might be glad of a job at Tesco the way things are with jobs now. I find it quite a snobbish statement to suggest that working at Tesco is beneath them.

[MargaretR]

I think it snobbish and bigoted to call all young persons applying for work at Tesco to be illiterate yobs (which is what that Tesco director did - and what that thread is about)

Forgive me for jumping in to defend young people

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

So she worked there as a stop gap job until her preferred job.
One of my grandsons is doing bar work until he returns to UNI to get his PHD.

Now i always thought it was a part time job .. not a stop gap job .. as she was a student ..

[BERNADETTE]

"Growing Numbers" is what she said not all kids

[Neil]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Head teachers don't teach - the pay scale starts, and stays lower, than many other professions.
You get what you pay for - the days when there was such a thing as a 'vocation' are well gone.

A quick look found scales starting at £21k and going to about £55k depending on additional skills

[MargaretR]

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BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Many graduates 'lack soft skills'
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"In terms of starting salaries, the best-paying employers are in investment banking - with graduates entering on about £36,000. Law firms and business consultancies are next highest. At the lower end of the pay scale, the lowest graduate starting salaries are in transport and retail jobs, which typically pay £20,000.

There are considerable regional differences - with the typical London graduate starting salary being £27,500 - while in East Anglia pay rates are going downwards, with a typical starting salary of £19,000. "

[Benipete]

[quote];
After 50 years of the comprehensive education system I would have thought they might have worked this out by now.
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I think you will find you have got your figures wrong,again.

Perhaps after listening to the war of the worlds you were the 1.000,000.000 to one chance.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Benipete

I think you will find you have got your figures wrong,again.

Perhaps after listening to the war of the worlds you were the 1.000,000.000 to one chance.

I'm not from Mars, I can assure you of that (no pressure-balanced physiognomy for a start) but whatever timeframe you would like to place on the comprehensive system 'experiment' being validated as an alternative to grammar schools, I know for a fact that I am not alone in being well-served by an education that was varied and flexible.

What is wrong with a system that tries to engage everyone on some level rather than shoehorning children into some pre-ordained curriculum in a desperate attempt to get statistics 'right' in Westminster?

Another thing worth noting is that I learned far more about life in the 7 years working at a cash-and-carry during (and beyond) my further education than I ever did sat at a desk in class. Most people's first job is a bit on the lousy side but it doesn't half teach you the value of money and makes you appreciate what hard work is.

Most store assistants that I have spoken to in any supermarket have been polite and helpful but since they are the ones doing the actual work on the shop floor it seems that the director creaming off £???k per year is the one who could learn a thing about biting the hand that feeds you.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

I'm not from Mars, I can assure you of that (no pressure-balanced physiognomy for a start) but whatever timeframe you would like to place on the comprehensive system 'experiment' being validated as an alternative to grammar schools, I know for a fact that I am not alone in being well-served by an education that was varied and flexible.

What is wrong with a system that tries to engage everyone on some level rather than shoehorning children into some pre-ordained curriculum in a desperate attempt to get statistics 'right' in Westminster?

Another thing worth noting is that I learned far more about life in the 7 years working at a cash-and-carry during (and beyond) my further education than I ever did sat at a desk in class. Most people's first job is a bit on the lousy side but it doesn't half teach you the value of money and makes you appreciate what hard work is.

Most store assistants that I have spoken to in any supermarket have been polite and helpful but since they are the ones doing the actual work on the shop floor it seems that the director creaming off £???k per year is the one who could learn a thing about biting the hand that feeds you.

On your first point I agree entirely,I went to Skerton Secondary Modern in Lancaster although I could have gone to Lancaster Royal Grammar School.The reason was one of logistics(love that word)The grammar school was the other side of town and I lived on Pinfold Lane Skerton opposite the side entrance to the school.

All years had A B C and D streams.I never strayed from the A despite rarely doing homework and never revising for examinations.I passed 7 GCE's before leaving aged 15 to become a bricklayer.(another story)

Second point, you should have paid more attention.

Third point,No one said the employees were unhelpful,The article was aimed at the demise of the education system.A point that you seem to agree with in one sentence but not in another.

One a final note,Stop concerning yourself with what one of the directors of Britain's largest private sector employers gets paid.

[Eric]

The demise of education systems is a common complaint over here too .... among all the many reasons indiscipline, watering down of content etc., I believe that one major problem that receives too little attention is that students are no longer allowed to fail; they are pushed through because failure is viewed as something that will distress the little dears .... all students entering school (esp. secondary school) should be given t-shirts emblazoned with: "Failure Is Always an Option". We are what we are as a species because we experiment, courting failure as we go along. We learn, I believe, more from our failures than our successes; in fact, most of our successes (in the kitchen for example; there is always viagara for failures in the bedroom) are born of failure.

To get a good view of how schools are failing the students, try teaching entry level classes at university.

[accyman]

i thought it was pretty much common knowledge that exams have been made easier to increase pass rates so we appear to be on par with the rest of europe.Rather than increase quality of teaching ,reduce classroom sizes and introduce discipline into schools its much easier and cheaper to fudge pass rates

[garinda]

[accyman]

Originally Posted by garinda

lol yeah i remeber that one i cant believe she didnt click on