It Pays To Complain.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Because I am entitled to and there was one empty space – two actually. But even if there had only been one I would still have used it.

And your argument about another BB holder coming along is more applicable to the selfish ****** who park in disabled places without displaying a BB. Their excuse, “I’ll only be a minute.”

If you want to have a dig at someone for disabled bays go for them and not legitimate users.

The person actually shopping was able bodied. they are capable of walking to a no disabled parking spot, somebody unable to walk that distance may have needed your spot, you say still you would have used it and told the person questioning you to mind there own business. THEY ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS YOU! THEY HAVE MOBILITY PROBLEMS!!!

You have placed several threads on here that I have agreed with in the past. This selfish attitude of yours stinks beyond belief, I will now look at your postings with a very different eye.

Your morality stinks. Where do you get off on your attitude or are you just doing it to wind people up? Either way you have one twisted viewpoint on life.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Yes I agree Stanaccy. I would have thought someone with mobility problems might have shown more sympathy towards others in the same situation. How can you be so blinkered Jambutty?

[jambutty]

I guess that you twigged it Stanaccy. And the reactions of some people beggars belief.

In actual fact I walked into the store with my grandson to see about buying a strimmer, which I did, whilst he went and got the compost. I paid the bill by credit card and we left the store.

You davo69 are not going to eat jambutties anymore because someone with a username of jambutty happened to make a post that you didn’t agree with. Now how puerile is that?

You stanaccy will now judge my posts because they were made by me and not because of the content. That really says it all.

And you WillowTheWhisp have to follow the crowd and put your boot in.

If anyone should be ashamed of themselves it should be you three for, as I stated earlier, for having a go at a BB holder when there are multitudes of able bodied people abusing the system day in, day out.

Mucho gracias to the twerp who gave me another little red square with the anonymous words of “You are being a sad and grumpy old man again so you can have another red square if you like them.”

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by jambutty

I guess that you twigged it Stanaccy. And the reactions of some people beggars belief.

In actual fact I walked into the store with my grandson to see about buying a strimmer, which I did, whilst he went and got the compost. I paid the bill by credit card and we left the store.

That is not what you originally said. Your original version of the story was that you drove to the disabled space, parked there and sat in the car waiting whilst your able-bodied passenger who was perfectly capable of walking the distance from a non-disabled parking space went into the shop. This you were depriving a disabled person of a parking space. You continued to insist that you had every right to do that because you have a blue badge. No matter what anyone said to you about the blue badge not being for the benefit of passengers of disabled drivers.

Originally Posted by jambutty

And you WillowTheWhisp have to follow the crowd and put your boot in.

You really should read the responses more carefully because I have not followed any crowd. I have my own personal opinions on this subject just as I have on others and my personal opinion on this topic is that you were being stubborn, self-centred and blinkered. An opinion I still retain.

However, I think you have now realised how your attitude was the one that was anti-disabled and that the people you condemned were the ones who were supportive of disabled people and having realised that you had the choice of holding your hand up and admitting that you were wrong, which would have been an admirable thing and earned you some karma, or of trying to twist your original post by claiming to have meant something quite different to what you'd actually said you chose the latter. I can't help wondering if we still had the edit feature if you would have gone back and changed your original post and then accused people of misinterpreting you.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

That is not what you originally said. Your original version of the story was that you drove to the disabled space, parked there and sat in the car waiting whilst your able-bodied passenger who was perfectly capable of walking the distance from a non-disabled parking space went into the shop. This you were depriving a disabled person of a parking space. You continued to insist that you had every right to do that because you have a blue badge. No matter what anyone said to you about the blue badge not being for the benefit of passengers of disabled drivers.



You really should read the responses more carefully because I have not followed any crowd. I have my own personal opinions on this subject just as I have on others and my personal opinion on this topic is that you were being stubborn, self-centred and blinkered. An opinion I still retain.

However, I think you have now realised how your attitude was the one that was anti-disabled and that the people you condemned were the ones who were supportive of disabled people and having realised that you had the choice of holding your hand up and admitting that you were wrong, which would have been an admirable thing and earned you some karma, or of trying to twist your original post by claiming to have meant something quite different to what you'd actually said you chose the latter. I can't help wondering if we still had the edit feature if you would have gone back and changed your original post and then accused people of misinterpreting you.

With the amount of vitriol poured out against Blue Badge holders in this and the other thread, where there was great pontification about moral usage etc. I decided to test the waters, so to speak, to see what the reaction would be. The reaction was exactly as I expected and got. Thus establishing that many able bodied drivers are envious of the privilege that the BB bestows on disabled drivers and if they see a perceived flouting of the BB rules they are up in arms crying foul. They do not, however, castigate able bodied drivers using disabled parking to nip in to the ATM etc. For them it is OK to use a space for a minute because it is only for a minute. Meanwhile a disabled driver has to go round again and again until there is a vacancy.

They see an able bodied person get out of a car showing the BB, parked in a disabled bay and with a disabled person inside and immediately jump to conclusions and probably tut, tut to their friends and neighbours for the rest of the day. There are so many kettles calling the pots black these days. Note that I said many not all.

Me stubborn? Yes I can be when it is necessary. Self-centred? If by that you mean that I look out for my own interests then yes I am but I also look out for those less fortunate than me. Blinkered? I am more aware of what goes on around me than most people but I do not have an opinion about everything.

I have never been anti-disabled and you know it. But why let the truth spoil a pseudo point.

I care not a Tinker’s cuss about Karma. I take the view that this Karma and rep power business is viewed by some people as a badge of office and a sop to their ego.

The thought of going back to alter an original post never entered my head. You seem to have thought of it though. Why is that I wonder. Could it possibly be that you would do just that to prove that you were right after all?

But don’t cast insinuations that I might do such a thing. Because you know diddly squat!

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by jambutty

With the amount of vitriol poured out against Blue Badge holders in this and the other thread, where there was great pontification about moral usage etc. I decided to test the waters, so to speak, to see what the reaction would be. The reaction was exactly as I expected and got. Thus establishing that many able bodied drivers are envious of the privilege that the BB bestows on disabled drivers and if they see a perceived flouting of the BB rules they are up in arms crying foul. They do not, however, castigate able bodied drivers using disabled parking to nip in to the ATM etc. For them it is OK to use a space for a minute because it is only for a minute. Meanwhile a disabled driver has to go round again and again until there is a vacancy.

They see an able bodied person get out of a car showing the BB, parked in a disabled bay and with a disabled person inside and immediately jump to conclusions and probably tut, tut to their friends and neighbours for the rest of the day. There are so many kettles calling the pots black these days. Note that I said many not all.

On the contrary, if you look at my response on the thread where this subject originated you will see that I was fully in favour of ASDA's actions in choosing to enforce the disabled parking and to penalise those who park in designated disabled spaces when they do not hold a disabled person's blue badge.

How the flippin heck can that be classed as anything but supportive of disabled drivers/passengers?

I do not approve of able bodied people parking in disabled parking bays. I have never parked in one when I was a driver, nor have I ever been in the car of an able bodied person who parked in one.

I have been a passenger in a car whose driver was disabled and who parked in a disabled bay in order for them to go to wherever they were going. I would not expect them to park in a disabled parking space for MY convenience and I still maintain that anyone who uses their blue badge for the benefit of an able bodied passenger is ABUSING that badge and being unfair on a disabled driver who might need that space.

You originally claimed that you had done just that. Now you have changed your story to claim that although you had an able bodied passenger you also went into the shop. Which is of course perfectly legitimate reason for parking in that parking bay.

I am totally baffled as to how you can see someone defending the rights of disabled drivers as being jealous of them.

Originally Posted by jambutty

Me stubborn? Yes I can be when it is necessary. Self-centred? If by that you mean that I look out for my own interests then yes I am but I also look out for those less fortunate than me. Blinkered? I am more aware of what goes on around me than most people but I do not have an opinion about everything.

I have never been anti-disabled and you know it. But why let the truth spoil a pseudo point.

There were people in these two threads who looked at other people's needs above their own and yet you who claim to be looking out for those less fortunate than yourself gave the impression that you didn't give two hoots about any disabled driver who was being denied a parking space whilst you parked there and waited for the return of your able-bodied passenger.

Originally Posted by jambutty

The thought of going back to alter an original post never entered my head. You seem to have thought of it though. Why is that I wonder. Could it possibly be that you would do just that to prove that you were right after all?

But don’t cast insinuations that I might do such a thing. Because you know diddly squat!

The idea 'entered my head' when you changed your story about sitting waiting in your car in the disabled parking space to a totally different tale about you also going into the shop. Why did you lie in the first place? Why did you continue the lie and encourage people to believe that the only person who went into the shop was your able bodied passenger?

[forceten]

I don't post on here very often, mainly because I think from being on the sidelines and looking in that it is a very closed shop.

However I do feel that I have to post here.

I have a disabled son. He is mentally disabled, not physically, so in looking at him you would think he was normal. But I do have blue badges for him. I'm not going to go into why I got them or anything as I don't think that that is anything to do with you.

But Jambutty, from what you are saying, anybody who has a blue badge has to have a physical disablity? One that you can see?

It's people like you who give the disabled a bad name. I park in a disabled place when I have my son with me. And I have need to too..........not that I will explain to you. But when I don't have my son with me I don't park in a disabled space.

And nor do I post to test the response of other people on here either.

If I'm in the wrong I admit it......something that perhaps you should think about?

[WillowTheWhisp]

You've just described what I would consider to be totally appropriate and correct usage of the badge. I presume that if your son was with you and another passenger you wouldn't take advantage of your son's presence to park in a disabled space so that your non blue badge holding person was able to get to the shop easier.

I apologise for having used the term 'able-bodied' to describe someone not entitled to the use of the badge. I should have taken into account the people like your son who are also legitimately entitled to one. My complaint was about people who are not entitled to one taking advantage of a friend who has one and taking up a space which may have been needed by a genuine person.

[forceten]

Hi Willow

Sorry I wasn't having a go at you......sorry if it came accross that way.

What I was trying to say was that I found Jambutty's comments very rude and self centred.

Blue badges are not "medals to be proud of" which is what he seems to think.

They are there to aid and help disabled people and should be used appropriately.

And no, I wouldn't take advantage of my blue badge to park to enable an non disabled person to take advantage. That's abuse of the badge.

[The Green Lantern]

Just to add to this thread, I have a glass eye but am still allowed to drive as the vision in my other eye is perfect. I did try to apply for a blue badge about 10 years ago as parking sometimes could be difficult for me. I can walk and am "able bodied". I was refused a badge as i was deemed not to be partially sighted and able to walk. I didnt complain or appeal or register blind or disabled which I was told I could do. I am now fortunate enough to afford a vehicle with front and rear parking sensors which help me with the parking..

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by jambutty

I guess that you twigged it Stanaccy. And the reactions of some people beggars belief.

In actual fact I walked into the store with my grandson to see about buying a strimmer, which I did, whilst he went and got the compost. I paid the bill by credit card and we left the store.

You davo69 are not going to eat jambutties anymore because someone with a username of jambutty happened to make a post that you didn’t agree with. Now how puerile is that?

You stanaccy will now judge my posts because they were made by me and not because of the content. That really says it all.

And you WillowTheWhisp have to follow the crowd and put your boot in.

If anyone should be ashamed of themselves it should be you three for, as I stated earlier, for having a go at a BB holder when there are multitudes of able bodied people abusing the system day in, day out.

Mucho gracias to the twerp who gave me another little red square with the anonymous words of “You are being a sad and grumpy old man again so you can have another red square if you like them.”

Actually Jambutty I will look at them with a different eye because the reason for posting isn't about asking for a debate but because of a possible selfish reason. I have never once laid into BB holders, I support the scheme, you however, seem to have warped reason for using it. If you sitting in your car using up a valuable disabled bay, whilst your able bodied personal shopper gets your stuff you is using the badge responsibly I'm a rabid tory. Also your post about getting out the car and shopping with him I may treat with a pinch of salt as one of the stories is a falsehood, I don't know which one, but you have defended to the hilt irresponsible users.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by forceten

Hi Willow

Sorry I wasn't having a go at you......sorry if it came accross that way.

What I was trying to say was that I found Jambutty's comments very rude and self centred.

Blue badges are not "medals to be proud of" which is what he seems to think.

They are there to aid and help disabled people and should be used appropriately.

And no, I wouldn't take advantage of my blue badge to park to enable an non disabled person to take advantage. That's abuse of the badge.

This was the point Davo and myself were trying to make, an abuse of this scheme either by other BB holders or by able bodied idle numpties is an abuse. You may have a perfect right to use the badge but using it for your mate to go and get your shopping, and hogging a bay someone else needs is as much an abuse as the athlete down the road parking there whilst he picks up his sunday paper and a new pair of trainers.

I apologise if any offence has been caused by my postings.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern

Just to add to this thread, I have a glass eye but am still allowed to drive as the vision in my other eye is perfect. I did try to apply for a blue badge about 10 years ago as parking sometimes could be difficult for me. I can walk and am "able bodied". I was refused a badge as i was deemed not to be partially sighted and able to walk. I didnt complain or appeal or register blind or disabled which I was told I could do. I am now fortunate enough to afford a vehicle with front and rear parking sensors which help me with the parking..

How odd that having one eye does not qualify you to be classed as partially sighted. I can see the advantage of parking in a wider parking bay if it's difficult to see well enough to park in a more cramped space. Do those parking sensors assist with what's at the sides of you?

FAO Jambutty, this was my original post on the subject in the other thread before the topic moved into this one.

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I say good for ASDA for doing something constructive about the ignorami who park in disabled spaces because they don't think the rules apply to them.

As you can see, I was fully supportive of your post and of ASDA's actions.It was you who chose to come down on the side of those who abuse the parking spaces and then chose to argue with those of us who disapprove of that.

[The Green Lantern]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

How odd that having one eye does not qualify you to be classed as partially sighted. I can see the advantage of parking in a wider parking bay if it's difficult to see well enough to park in a more cramped space. Do those parking sensors assist with what's at the sides of you?

I thought that was odd but then again I am allowed to drive, thank god so i cant complain really i suppose. the parking sensors do help but not on whats on the side of me, so in theory my right side is the problem, but it just means that i have to be very careful and always use the mirrors. The blue badge would have helped but i actually park very far away to avoid cars on the car park.. .

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

On the contrary, if you look at my response on the thread where this subject originated you will see that I was fully in favour of ASDA's actions in choosing to enforce the disabled parking and to penalise those who park in designated disabled spaces when they do not hold a disabled person's blue badge.

How the flippin heck can that be classed as anything but supportive of disabled drivers/passengers?

I do not approve of able bodied people parking in disabled parking bays. I have never parked in one when I was a driver, nor have I ever been in the car of an able bodied person who parked in one.

I have been a passenger in a car whose driver was disabled and who parked in a disabled bay in order for them to go to wherever they were going. I would not expect them to park in a disabled parking space for MY convenience and I still maintain that anyone who uses their blue badge for the benefit of an able bodied passenger is ABUSING that badge and being unfair on a disabled driver who might need that space.

You originally claimed that you had done just that. Now you have changed your story to claim that although you had an able bodied passenger you also went into the shop. Which is of course perfectly legitimate reason for parking in that parking bay.

I am totally baffled as to how you can see someone defending the rights of disabled drivers as being jealous of them.


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There were people in these two threads who looked at other people's needs above their own and yet you who claim to be looking out for those less fortunate than yourself gave the impression that you didn't give two hoots about any disabled driver who was being denied a parking space whilst you parked there and waited for the return of your able-bodied passenger.




The idea 'entered my head' when you changed your story about sitting waiting in your car in the disabled parking space to a totally different tale about you also going into the shop. Why did you lie in the first place? Why did you continue the lie and encourage people to believe that the only person who went into the shop was your able bodied passenger?

Have you actually read what was written and more importantly understood?

Stanaccy guessed that I was winding people up and asked the question. So I admitted that I was to see what sort a reaction I got. You can carry on harping about that till the cows come home but it will not alter the reality of the situation one iota.

I dismiss the rest of your verbal diarrhoea as the ravings of a self opinionated woman who has to have the last word. You can have it.