It Pays To Complain.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by forceten

I don't post on here very often, mainly because I think from being on the sidelines and looking in that it is a very closed shop.

However I do feel that I have to post here.

I have a disabled son. He is mentally disabled, not physically, so in looking at him you would think he was normal. But I do have blue badges for him. I'm not going to go into why I got them or anything as I don't think that that is anything to do with you.

But Jambutty, from what you are saying, anybody who has a blue badge has to have a physical disablity? One that you can see?

It's people like you who give the disabled a bad name. I park in a disabled place when I have my son with me. And I have need to too..........not that I will explain to you. But when I don't have my son with me I don't park in a disabled space.

And nor do I post to test the response of other people on here either.

If I'm in the wrong I admit it......something that perhaps you should think about?

I have never said that anyone who has a Blue Badge has to have a physical disability that can be seen. Kindly don’t put words in my mouth.

What I said was that in order to qualify for a Blue Badge the applicant has to be unable to walk any distance unaided or without experiencing pain. This does not cover people who are on crutches because they have broken a leg. In other words the disability has to be deemed as being permanent.

Walking unaided doesn’t just mean that someone has to physically support the disabled person but also means having to guide them so that they do not harm themselves or others. This covers blind people and those with mental disabilities.

So just exactly where was I wrong?

I am fully conversant with the rules for using a Blue Badge but some people see a situation and immediately jump to conclusions and some even want the Blue Badge system discontinued because a few people misuse it. But there are far more able bodied people who abuse the disabled bay parking than there are BB holders misusing it. So have a go at them.

The trouble with some people is, that when they discover that they have been the victim of a wind up they don’t like it and drag the depths of the barrel to get their own back in some way. If they can’t do that then comes the character assassination.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by forceten

Hi Willow

Sorry I wasn't having a go at you......sorry if it came accross that way.

What I was trying to say was that I found Jambutty's comments very rude and self centred.

Blue badges are not "medals to be proud of" which is what he seems to think.

They are there to aid and help disabled people and should be used appropriately.

And no, I wouldn't take advantage of my blue badge to park to enable an non disabled person to take advantage. That's abuse of the badge.

Got a degree in psychology have you?

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by Stanaccy

Actually Jambutty I will look at them with a different eye because the reason for posting isn't about asking for a debate but because of a possible selfish reason. I have never once laid into BB holders, I support the scheme, you however, seem to have warped reason for using it. If you sitting in your car using up a valuable disabled bay, whilst your able bodied personal shopper gets your stuff you is using the badge responsibly I'm a rabid tory. Also your post about getting out the car and shopping with him I may treat with a pinch of salt as one of the stories is a falsehood, I don't know which one, but you have defended to the hilt irresponsible users.

I don’t care how you look upon my posts.

So stating that a BB holder who takes an able bodied shopping is morally wrong isn’t laying into a BB holder?

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by The Green Lantern

Just to add to this thread, I have a glass eye but am still allowed to drive as the vision in my other eye is perfect. I did try to apply for a blue badge about 10 years ago as parking sometimes could be difficult for me. I can walk and am "able bodied". I was refused a badge as i was deemed not to be partially sighted and able to walk. I didnt complain or appeal or register blind or disabled which I was told I could do. I am now fortunate enough to afford a vehicle with front and rear parking sensors which help me with the parking..

My son has monocular vision and he rides a scooter OK.

Partially sighted doesn’t mean having monocular vision, although technically it could be construed that way. After all we are born with two eyes and with only one working that does make a person partially sighted.

Partially sighted pertains to the quality of whatever vision a person has in the eyes that s/he has.

[SPUGGIE J]

This thread is now making a Borg v McEnroe tennis match seem tame. Informative in some ways in other ways not exactly sure.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by jambutty

I don’t care how you look upon my posts.

So stating that a BB holder who takes an able bodied shopping is morally wrong isn’t laying into a BB holder?

You seem to take offence whenever anyone states a viewpoint different from your own and seem to have a very tenuous grasp on the facts, so to quote yourself DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH!

I never said a BB holder taking someone shopping was morally wrong, what I said was taking an able bodied person shopping and taking up a disabled bay whilst the BB holder sits in the car waiting for said able bodied person to return is morally wrong.

Argue all you want Jambutty you have defended the indefensible and I for one am sick of this thread and your continuous higher than thou spiels If you think the scenario outlined above is morally right then fair dos I for one think it is an abuse of the scheme and the individual concerned should be fined for forcing another BB holder to walk from a none disabled spot because of their own selfish self righteous attitude.

[jambutty]

Can any of the contributors to this thread honestly and truthfully state that at some time during this year, when they spotted a car parked in a disabled bay and not displaying the Blue Badge, they went up to the driver and reminded him/her that they were parked in a parking bay reserved for Blue Badge holders? I’ll warrant that there is nary a one.

I have and still do and for my troubles I have been told to go and occupy a spot in the nearest cemetery, been verbally abused, been physically threatened, had my foot run over when the clown decided to reverse and got clouted in the face with the door being opened with force. But in the main I got a sheepish grin usually accompanied with “I’ll only be a minute”, with the odd “I’ve left it at home”. However no one has ever driven the car away right away to vacate the bay for a genuine user.

Have any of those same contributors having seen a non-disabled person leap out of a car leaving the disabled person behind to go into the store/shop, approached them to acquaint them with the Blue Badge rules? No! I thought not.

Yet these same contributors feel qualified to pontificate with a holier than thou attitude about the use and misuse of the Blue Badge scheme. They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Before I got my Blue Badge it never entered my head to check if the disabled bays were being put to the correct use. I just assumed that people would honour the disabled logo and not park there.

If I ever saw a non disabled person get out of a car parked in a disabled bay and displaying the Blue Badge I assumed that they were doing the shopping for the disabled person either in the car or left at home.

All this bruhaha smacks of jealousy to me.

[Stanaccy]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Can any of the contributors to this thread honestly and truthfully state that at some time during this year, when they spotted a car parked in a disabled bay and not displaying the Blue Badge, they went up to the driver and reminded him/her that they were parked in a parking bay reserved for Blue Badge holders? I’ll warrant that there is nary a one.



All this bruhaha smacks of jealousy to me.

Yes I have. I was also been told to p*ss off, and had exactly the same reception as yourself.

I am not jealous, I am perfectly capable of walking the distance from the main car parking spaces to the store and do not for one second begrudge the spots given to parents and children or the BB users, I just do not like the thought of BB holders forcing others in the same position to park much further away because of their own selfishness. So GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU POST!

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Can any of the contributors to this thread honestly and truthfully state that at some time during this year, when they spotted a car parked in a disabled bay and not displaying the Blue Badge, they went up to the driver and reminded him/her that they were parked in a parking bay reserved for Blue Badge holders? I’ll warrant that there is nary a one.

Bit presumptuous of you that isn't it? How on earth do you know what other members of this forum have or have not done this past year? Personally I don't go around checking on people's windscreens to see if they have badges in them or not, nor do I lurk in hiding waiting for a someone to park in a disabled space in order to see if they are capable of walking to the store or not. Most of the cars parked in the disabled spaces are empty due to the fact that their occupants are in the store doing a spot of shopping and I'm too busy doing my own shopping to wait until they come back to see if they are legit. Even if I saw someone sitting in the driver's seat it could well be that their disabled passenger has gone into the store. All of which is none of my business.

Originally Posted by jambutty

Have any of those same contributors having seen a non-disabled person leap out of a car leaving the disabled person behind to go into the store/shop, approached them to acquaint them with the Blue Badge rules? No! I thought not.

Yet these same contributors feel qualified to pontificate with a holier than thou attitude about the use and misuse of the Blue Badge scheme. They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

For someone who criticises others for making assumptions you seem to do rather a lot of it yourself. Yes, I do feel strongly about the misuse of the Blue Badge scheme and you as a disabled person should be encouraging able bodied people to dispise the misuse of it, not criticising them for doing so and accusing them of pontificating. You really do seem to have a topsy turvey set of values.

Originally Posted by jambutty

If I ever saw a non disabled person get out of a car parked in a disabled bay and displaying the Blue Badge I assumed that they were doing the shopping for the disabled person either in the car or left at home.

An ablebodied person doing the shopping for a disabled person who has remained at home has absolutely no right at all to use the disabled parking bay even if they are using the disabled person's car. It is totally beyond me that you as a disabled person condone such action when it can be depriving a disabled person of legitimately parking there and doing their own shopping.

Originally Posted by jambutty

All this bruhaha smacks of jealousy to me.

Jealousy? Where the flippin heck do you get that idea from? No-one has said anything to indicated that they begrudged a disabled person using the badge legitimately in order to park in a designated disabled space. All any of us have done is defend the disabled people's right to do so, but criticise the misuse of the badge whether it be by an able bodied or a disabled person. It makes me wonder if you were the one who was jealous of the orange badge holders (as it was in those days) before you came to be one yourself.

I have, and have had (now deceased) disabled friends who have been greatly inconvenienced by the ignorant attitude of others. One badge holder friend of mine doesn't look disabled and appears to be able to walk well enough but can only walk short distances. Another, a wheelchair user, needs plenty of space around the car to manoeuvre the wheelchair. Another has one of those electrically operated contraptions and is banjaxed by drivers who park their cars next to the dip in the pavement which is designed so that electric wheelchairs can get easily up and down, not to mention the drivers who park half on and half off the pavement not leaving enough room for a wheelchair to get through. Someone I know got stranded not being able to get back home when a thoughtless driver did that behind her after she'd come to a halt because someone had done it in front!

I don't have to have these experiences myself in order to be miffed on behalf of friends who do.

AND if I was going shopping it would never occur to me to expect a disabled friend giving me a lift to park in a disabled bay to wait for me so I didn't have as far to walk!

[flashy]

wow willa, giz a day n i may be able to finish reading that story you just wrote

[WillowTheWhisp]

Just living up to my nickname

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Just living up to my nickname

And long may it continue.

[jambutty]

If you got your facts right Stanaccy you would have realised that my comments were not directed at any specific person but at some people. They always have been. But why let reality get in the way of indignant verbal spluttering?

How can a question be presumptuous WillowTheWhisp?

Or have you just learned a new word and couldn’t wait to use it? Wrongly!

Now lets see you take that apart and add your puerile comments.

[WillowTheWhisp]

When you run out of sensible argument is that the best you can do? My comment about you being presumptuous was in direct relation to you stating "I'll warrant that there is nary a one" which unless I am very much mistaken is not a question, or at least it wasn't when I went to school and learned the basics of English grammar.

[mani]

sorry i havent read the thread as a whole but

some people complain about every lil thing. even if they're in the wrong. i'm at the britannia hotel and after 11pm its residents only no guests allowed so we get people who planned to sleep 4-5 to a double room for two ppl gettin knocked back. so they have to upgrade or three are sleeping on the street. then a week later we get a letter complaining the iron was dripping too much water, some of the lights in the chandelier were fused, we had to wait in a queue for 10 minutes and its like come on mate ur just lame.

if its a genuine thing fair enough but it doesnt be alot of the time and people do try to get freebies or a refund when they dont honestly deserve it