It's not so smart to have a 'smart meter'

[MargaretR]

Would you like a cell phone mast in your home?
I expect you said 'no'.

If you have any suspicions that the radiation may cause health problems, then 'no' is the best answer.

What will you do when installation becomes compulsory?
Smart meters operate like cell phone masts.

BBC News - Smart meter savings 'uncertain' says audit office
"By 2020, every home in Britain will be fitted with a smart meter - a device that shows exactly how much gas and electricity is being used".

“Smart” Meters: More Radiation Than a Cell Tower | Stop Smart Meters!

[Less]

If as you are trying to imply with your usually panic mongering methodology, that these meters as well as phone masts, (you didn't mention mains transformers or your favourite doom machine the microwave oven, how remiss of you), cause illness, then how come there haven't been large scale illnesses or even deaths amongst the engineers that work in close proximity to these devices in their normal working lives?

[MargaretR]

Since you show no signs of sensitivity to others, it is unlikely that you will be sensitive to EMF radiation.
Unfortunately some people are, and the addition of yet more radiation in the home will cause more people to be affected.
The effect is cumulative.

Here is a report which details the effects of EMF on biological systems.
http://www.bioinitiative.org/freeacc...ocs/report.pdf
It does point that controlled EMF can be beneficial but -

"Electromagnetic fields are widely used in therapeutic medical applications. Proof of
effectiveness has been demonstrated in numerous clinical applications of low-intensity
ELF-EMF and RF-EMF, each treatment employing specific characteristics of frequency,
modulation and intensity to achieve its efficacy. On the other hand, higher levels of
EMFs encountered in the environment which are indiscriminately generated by
technologies of the 20th and 21st centuries may result in harm. EMF levels which are
allowable today under thermally-based public exposure standards do not take into
account these clear indications of the sensitivities of the human body to EMFs. If we are
to promulgate public exposure standards that are protective of public health, then this
body of evidence on healing with EMFs is of primary importance in developing
biologically-based public exposure standards.




I consider that installation of smart meters should be voluntary

[garinda]

'EU targets require that at least 80% of homes have a smart meter fitted by 2020.'

Smart meter roll out - Smart meters and energy monitors explained - Energy monitor reviews - Creating an energy saving home - Which? Energy

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

'EU targets require that at least 80% of homes have a smart meter fitted by 2020.'

Smart meter roll out - Smart meters and energy monitors explained - Energy monitor reviews - Creating an energy saving home - Which? Energy

Sorry for interrupting, by the way.

I'm tied to my chair, with one of those evil Rothschilds pointing a gun to my head, forcing me to read threads I don't want to, against my will.

He's just gone for a wee.

I'd better go, I've just heard a flush.

[MargaretR]

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[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by garinda

'EU targets require that at least 80% of homes have a smart meter fitted by 2020.'

Smart meter roll out - Smart meters and energy monitors explained - Energy monitor reviews - Creating an energy saving home - Which? Energy

Smells a bit fishy to me, why should it concern anybody in Belgium how supplies are metered, they won't reduce your usage, only an excuse to raise charges.
If utility Co's need to know how much you use, they should pay for the dammed meters.
While on the subject of charges, why should we pay line rental for telephones, I've paid enough in line rental to have my own private wire to Australia, why have we to pay for a bit of wire, when were not using it, as well as that, we are also charged 9p per call before we even speak.
Retlaw.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Smells a bit fishy to me, why should it concern anybody in Belgium how supplies are metered, they won't reduce your usage, only an excuse to raise charges.
If utility Co's need to know how much you use, they should pay for the dammed meters.
While on the subject of charges, why should we pay line rental for telephones, I've paid enough in line rental to have my own private wire to Australia, why have we to pay for a bit of wire, when were not using it, as well as that, we are also charged 9p per call before we even speak.
Retlaw.

I agree.

Why should the U.K. be forced to comply to binding legislation issued from Brussels?

As for safety...

I'm more inclined to believe information supplied by Which?, than the Prophetess of all things Doom and Gloom.

Are smart meters safe?

So far, there has been no medical evidence to suggest that smart meters are unsafe for people.
Smart meter roll out - Smart meters and energy monitors explained - Energy monitor reviews - Creating an energy saving home - Which? Energy

(It was next door, who flushed the bog. The evil Jewish financier's still in there.)

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

Are smart meters safe?

So far, there has been no medical evidence to suggest that smart meters are unsafe for people.
Smart meter roll out - Smart meters and energy monitors explained - Energy monitor reviews - Creating an energy saving home - Which? Energy

(It was next door, who flushed the bog. The evil Jewish financier's still in there.)

Remember when all the tobacco companies refused to believe that cigarettes caused any harm to humans?

It doesn't suit their purposes to have us believe that smart meters are dangerous.....that doesn't necessarily mean they are safe.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by garinda

I agree.

Why should the U.K. be forced to comply to binding legislation issued from Brussels?

Because we're part of the United States of Europe and we have to do as we're told. And despite the fact we don't want it, our political masters from David Cameron to Graham Jones think they know better than us and have seen fit to ignore our wishes.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Remember when all the tobacco companies refused to believe that cigarettes caused any harm to humans?

It doesn't suit their purposes to have us believe that smart meters are dangerous.....that doesn't necessarily mean they are safe.

Agreed, but whist this change-over is being rolled out, forced by legislation issued by the E.U., there's not an awful lot you can do, it seems.

Well, other than to decide not to have gas or electricity supplied to your home.

Personally I've always found the information supplied by Which? to be fair, and impartial.

If Which? states that there's no medical evidence that smart meters are unsafe for people, I'd tend to believe it, until supplied with credible medical evidence proving otherwise.

In the great scheme of things I won't be losing too much sleep, worrying about any associated health scares if/when they come to fit them for me.

Happily I've learned from my great granny, who feared, and wouldn't have electricity in her home in the 1960's, worried it would kill her.

[Tealeaf]

For once, Margaret R is talking sense. If you have a meter, rip it out and chuck it in the bin. It is also important that you also dispose of other radioactive items within your household.Therefore with immeadiate effect, get rid of the following:

TV
Computer
Radio
Fridges
Freezers
Washing Machines
Hoovers
Clocks
Smoke Detectors (they're nasty - contain americium 241 - better to die quickly in a blaze than slowly roast to death)

This lot contain Uranium & Thorium, so make sure they go:

Plates
Teacups
Vases
Glassware
Carpets
Bath tubs
Bogs

Microwave Ovens (we already know about them)

And this lot contain a mixture of various radionuclides:

Potatos
Carrots
Swedes
Cabbage
Broccili
Cauliflower
All pulses

..so whiz them in the bin (but not your recycle one).

All tinned foods.

If you obey these few instructions, then you should have a happy and healthy life.

[garinda]

We assess risks every day.

Just as we have since leaving the womb.

Both MargaretR and myself probably sit there, pondering those risks, whilst drawing on our fags, and our assessments draw different conclusions.

That's life.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, of course we do.
I risk life and limb every day to cross the road with the tinlids...we minimise our risks by taking sensible precautions.

The scientists never agree on anything for more than a week at a time, so I would take whatever any publication tells me with a pinch of salt.(and that is probably bad for me as well)
After all, I am from the generation who ate mud, licked the paint on my cot(which probably contained lead) played with lead soldiers....had food cooked in aluminuim pans, climbed trees, played conkers, drank water out of a mill stream(that had fish frogs and tadpoles in it)..........and I'm still here!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes, of course we do.
I risk life and limb every day to cross the road with the tinlids...we minimise our risks by taking sensible precautions.

The scientists never agree on anything for more than a week at a time, so I would take whatever any publication tells me with a pinch of salt.(and that is probably bad for me as well)
After all, I am from the generation who ate mud, licked the paint on my cot(which probably contained lead) played with lead soldiers....had food cooked in aluminuim pans, climbed trees, played conkers, drank water out of a mill stream(that had fish frogs and tadpoles in it)..........and I'm still here!

Thats perfectly true, yet some take great heed of these nutty reports,even when they change tack after awhile. "Sods Law"- eventually one of em will be correct.