Its not the cabbies - its the parents - check them!! - Page 4

Margaret Pilkington · 14-09-2009, 18:09

You are happy to be considered guilty until proved innocent then????
I thought that in English law it was the other way round.....innocent until proved guilty.

The other thing is, that this scheme (which the government are now re-considering) will bring in £64 pound for every person who requires assessing.......and another £36 for the CRB check.
It is a stealth tax on organisations that cannot afford it, organisations that will disappear and make childrens lives poorer, and leave children less able in their social skills.

It is another government Quango.....it will not make the lives of children safer, but it will stop good hearted parents from volunteering their services to ferry children to and from events.

BERNADETTE · 14-09-2009, 19:22

Exactly Margaret was speaking to somebody on Saturday who's daughter normally ferries kids to football practice and matches. She is doing other parents a favour but is not prepared to pay £64 for the privelege and I don't blame her. The thing is the kids will probably lose out because of her decision.

West Ender · 14-09-2009, 19:28

This was being discussed on the radio last week. Some chap, I don't know who he was as I came into the discussion half way through, made the point that this does not relate to parents doing favours, taking a friend's child somewhere etc. It is to cover people who make the commitment to be a designated driver, on a regular basis, to take children to sports and other activities.

That said, I think it's ridiculous, expensive and solves nothing. It goes hand in hand with, and fuels, the paranoia about children that is everywhere and the apparent belief that the world, somehow, holds 10 times more paedophiles than it did 50 years ago. It doesn't, they were always around, but as Cashman said there were much harsher punishments in place and that deterred a lot of them.

accyman · 14-09-2009, 19:32

well i for one would rather send my kid in a mini bus driven by somone who had at least been crb checked than somone who hasnt

BERNADETTE · 14-09-2009, 19:34

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Originally Posted by accyman

well i for one would rather send my kid in a mini bus driven by somone who had at least been crb checked than somone who hasnt

Fair point but as she is doing the parents a favour why should she pay for the check?

accyman · 14-09-2009, 19:37

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Fair point but as she is doing the parents a favour why should she pay for the check?

well thas when common courtesy comes into play and arrangments between those benefiting from having their kids chaufered about come to an agrrement to split the cost

as for other jobs i think teh applicant shoudl pay for the crb check but if they pass it the company shoud reinburse them the cost and things made to work so that can happen

Margaret Pilkington · 14-09-2009, 21:10

A negative CRB proves absolutely nothing....other than the person who is ferrying the children hasn't been caught.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for protecting children, but I don't think this is the way to do it.
It does erode our constitutional right of 'innocent unless proved guilty'(a dangerous precedent)....and it assumes that everyone is a paedophile.
It also will generate big bucks for government, and we know that whatever the government say, they are not good at looking after personal information, or for that matter ensuring that the information they do hold is looked at by the right people.

It would not have stopped the guy Ian Huntley from doing what he did to Holly and Jessica.....because he did not have a criminal record...and the records held by police in one part of the country were not available to the police in the county where he was able to commit his crime......and though this system is supposed to centralise such information, I think it is unlikely to protect children from the people who do not have a crime against their name, but could still be abusing children......just not apprehended doing such acts.

We are going to make children paranoid about their own safety.
We are going to stop children from taking part in healthy activity, from socialising and developing interpersonal skills, when we should be educating them to the dangers, but ensuring that they know that most adults are trustworthy.

We need to let children develop their own instincts about people, otherwise we are going to be fostering a generation of adults who cannot suss out who they can and cannot trust.

jaysay · 15-09-2009, 08:41

It now seems that there is some backtracking going on, kids secretary Ed Balls is having another look at the situation and will recommend that the system is watered down bit

shillelagh · 15-09-2009, 10:33

at least we are not as bad as brazil

BBC NEWS | Americas | Man held after kissing daughter

jaysay · 15-09-2009, 10:59

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

at least we are not as bad as brazil

BBC NEWS | Americas | Man held after kissing daughter

That just is OTT