jackson Verdict - Page 2

panther · 14-06-2005, 07:27

glad to hear michael jackson got off, to me hes always been innocent, that family who accused him needs to be prosecuted for what they done to him, so what if he has kids going to his ranch, there parents seem to think its ok, and if my kids wanted to go, i would let them too, you cant even hug a kid whos not related these days without been accused of molesting em, so ere to jacko, good on yer mate!!

WillowTheWhisp · 14-06-2005, 07:50

Kids visiting his ranch is one thing, hugging a child is one thing and I agree that it's got crazily out of proportion now where people are afraid to comfort a crying child for fear of being accused of something, but sleeping in the same bed as a child is an entirely different thing.

I look at this from the point of view of a mother and I ask myself would I be happy if a child of mine was sleeping in the same bed as a total stranger, never mind the fact that this particular stranger happens to be world famous, that's totally irrelevant. My answer is a total, complete, categorically undeniable "NO WAY!" Any other middle aged male who openly admitted to sharing his bed with young boys would be called "Pervert" and shunned but somehow because this is Michael Jackson and he's famous and he claims to have never grown up (despite drinking and reading pornography) we are supposed to see this as totally innocent like a kid's "sleepover". All I know is that I wouldn't trust him or anyone else in the same situation.

It's got nothing to do with his musical talent. It simply isn't acceptable behaviour and I'm amazed at any mother who thinks it is.

paris · 14-06-2005, 10:26

i agree with janet @willow i'm not convinced as a mother myself i dont understand how anyone culd trust a man at his age who lets children sleep in his bed super star or not.

MUMMIBOO · 14-06-2005, 11:18

I wouldnt like to say at the end of the day have you ever been accused of something you didnt do?

I have and its not nice i was at school an something had happened and the whole class blamed me for it and in the end i said i had done it (when i hadnt) and i got into trouble for it, Its not nice i can tell you and that day has stuck with me for probably about 20 years.

Imagine if something like this happened to you how would you be feeling, no one has the right to judge him at the end of the day we dont know for sure either way, and the alligations against him were evil.

just because an adult lets a child sleep in the same bed as them it does NOT always mean they have one thing on their mind does it!

In this life there are takers and there are givers its just a pity there are more takers always thinking what they can have or get without thinking what it costs to get it, its a shame there are not more givers as being one of them is a reward in itself.

fireman · 14-06-2005, 11:51

Surely everything we say now is pure speculation, yes he has been foolish and nieve but he has been cleared of wrong doing and nothing we can say can change that. Hopefully now he will get his life back on track and continue what he isprobably the best in thr world at doing, (entertaining). Is it not time now to drop the if I's and the I would have's, and allow this albeit misguided and vulnerable man carry on with his life.

Tinkerbelle · 14-06-2005, 12:40

There's no denying the man is a musical genius and I'm hoping for a big MJ come back but the trial looks like it could have taken it's toll on him.

Who am I to judge whether he did commit the crime or not, I wasn't there, I didn't see it with my own eyes, neither have I had all the evidence presented to me like the jury in the trial have.

MJ being who he is his with his naive crazy ways was always going to be left open to extortion from greedy individuals who set out to ruin an extremely talented man and a man that also appears to wear his heart on his sleeve.

Tealeaf · 14-06-2005, 12:51

Its a shame he did'nt get sent down. I wonder what he would have done with his wig? And what about his screw-on nose? He would'nt have been able to take those into the state pennitentuary.

However, I trust he will never again be allowed into the UK...if he is, then he should be arrested and charged with dishonouring the good name of various Army Regiments by his scandoulous wearing of their badges throughout his trial.

Bazf · 14-06-2005, 13:41

I am quite amazed at the fact no one is now questioning the facts of Martin Bashir's interview and the role of the news media in this case, they were the ones pushing for a case got one and lost and now vanish in to thin air ready for the next unsespecting headliner to make them rich.

garinda · 14-06-2005, 13:56

The Peter Pan of Pop and the Lost Boys?

Perhaps he should base his next personna on Uncle Tom's Cabin, less naivety and at least he was black.

Shamoo!

WillowTheWhisp · 14-06-2005, 14:00

It wasn't Martin Bashir who made the revelation in the interview about children sleeping in MJ's bed. It was Michael Jackson himself. He is incredibly naïve not to have realised that it simply isn't normal behaviour and that many people would be horrified by such an admission. In my mind it isn't a question of whether anything sexual took place I quite simply would be disgusted by any adult male in his forties sleeping in the same bed as a young kid.

Martin Bashir just let Michael Jackson dig himself into several pits and then left him the pick and shovel with which to dig himself deeper in. One other example was when the Jackson family blamed MB for accusing the father of being violent when it was Michael himself who openly and willingly told of how his father used to beat him. He wasn't stupid. He knew that was being filmed. He knows what a camera looks like. He didn't have to say those things, but he did say them. No-one else put the words in his mouth.

As Tinkerbelle says we weren't there when the alleged sexual assaults took place and didn't witness any of the goings on ourselves, neither were we able to hear all that the jury heard and we have no way of knowing who told the truth about the allegations but the childlike Michael Jackson image has been changed forever, not by his accusers or by Martin Bashir and the rest of the press, but by actual facts such as the pornography found at Neverland and by the words spoken from his own lips.

It doesn't make any difference that he is talented and nothing changes the fact that he's made some brilliant recordings and done some great performances but he has also done some very foolish and downright stupid things too. In all of this the people I feel most sorry for are his children. If Michael Jackson's own less than normal upbringing has made him what he is today what effect will their upbringing be having on his children?

Acrylic-bob · 14-06-2005, 16:22

So Jackson has been aquitted, not much of a surprise there. I wonder if the people who testified against him will now be charged with committing perjury?

Interestingly, I came across this in the Times this afternoon.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...653747,00.html

It seems that some members of the jury were convinced of his guilt but decided to err on the side of caution because the evidence was not overwhelming enough. I'll bet the prosecuting attorney is pretty sick after hearing that admission. And now it seems that Jackson is planning to move to Europe. If he really is innocent, what is there to run away from?

chav1 · 14-06-2005, 16:28

the thing that made my mind up on his innocence were 2 things

1:the accusers in this trial were so obviously lying through their teeth stevie wonder could see it

2: witnesses came forward saying they saw jackson molest children yet when the 3 children now grown up adults and nothing to fear from jackson testified they said no jackson never did anything at all to them and one of them was a wealthy hollywood star

the way i see it is that if i was molested as a child and appeared in court i would not protect my attacker

and if been rich got bought you freedom there wouldnt be any rich people in jail

all the prosecution had were ex employees with grudges and failed lawsuits agains jackson and a scrounging mother looking for a fast dollar

the defence didnt use any dirty trick like some say, they simply produced reliable witnesses

also i would like to add that i dont like jacksons music and i think hes a total nut bat but i dont think he abuses kids there were many things left un mentioned in the jordash case which were brought to light in a bbc documentary i think it was and it put a totaly different light on it

jackson should have fought that case all he did was arouse suspicion when he paid for it to go away rather than fight but after this trial i can understand why he didnt want to go through a court case

Tealeaf · 14-06-2005, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

It seems that some members of the jury were convinced of his guilt but decided to err on the side of caution because the evidence was not overwhelming enough. .........And now it seems that Jackson is planning to move to Europe. If he really is innocent, what is there to run away from?

One wonders what the verdict of the jury would have been had the same evidence been presented against a "normal" 46-year old male, instead of someone straight out of a freak show. I have a funny suspicion that the return would have been guilty, beyond all reasonable doubt.

As for flitting to Europe, surely from what is left of the sovereign power of governments there is the facility to bar undesirable aliens. If the Yanks can refuse entry to the ( unproven) terrorist funder Cat Stevens, than I'm quite sure that buffoon of a Home Secretary called Clark can red card Jacko the Paedophile.

Bazf · 14-06-2005, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

If the Yanks can refuse entry to the ( unproven) terrorist funder Cat Stevens, than I'm quite sure that buffoon of a Home Secretary called Clark can red card Jacko the Paedophile.

Actually if you give a concert to fund Islamic Jihad I think I would call that proof that you funded a terrist organization, as did U2 in the 80's for the IRA and they can do what they want.

Margaret Pilkington · 14-06-2005, 19:42

It really doesn't matter what any of us think......he was subject to due legal process and was acquitted of all the charges.
It is not over for Michael Jackson though, there is some talk that the families who accused him of wrong doing are going to pusue him through the civil courts.......this happened to OJ and he was bankrupted by it.