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11-11-2008, 16:54
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
Welcome to the world of Big Brother and the Thought Police
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11-11-2008, 16:55
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
A quite predictable, rabble-rousing response there. You went straight for the most extreme case didn't you.
OK then...The act of paedophilia is, quite rightly, a crime which should be punished with the full force of the law, as should any act which supports it.
Should the law prevent people expressing views on it? Right thinking people would disregard these views and any proponents would find themselves ignored. It is after all only debate we are talking about here.
You made your point clear that you regard a society as civilised when it restricts what can and cannot be said. I am sure that you will fit in well in your future job as director of the Ministry of Truth.
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11-11-2008, 16:56
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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I dont remember but will look
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Posts 40 and 42 in this thread.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...t-39878-3.html
I also see Jambutty wandered off thread in post 31, when he pointlessly posted that I'd said I was a klutz, and he thought it was an admission.
Not an admission, just an illustration that I'm the first to mock myself. Usually because I'm soooooooo much better at it than anyone else.
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11-11-2008, 16:58
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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What Channel is the Thought Police on?
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11-11-2008, 16:59
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
That made me titter, I must say.
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11-11-2008, 17:01
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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A quite predictable, rabble-rousing response there. You went straight for the most extreme case didn't you.
OK then...The act of paedophilia is, quite rightly, a crime which should be punished with the full force of the law, as should any act which supports it.
Should the law prevent people expressing views on it? Right thinking people would disregard these views and any proponents would find themselves ignored. It is after all only debate we are talking about here.
You made your point clear that you regard a society as civilised when it restricts what can and cannot be said. I am sure that you will fit in well in your future job as director of the Ministry of Truth.
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There were 'political' organisations in the 60's, in the Netherlands and the U.S.A., where they advocated their right to talk and campaign for adult/child 'love' to flourish.
Happily their right to free speech, to campaign for their sick ideals, have now been taken away.
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11-11-2008, 17:03
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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What Channel is the Thought Police on?
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You'll find it on the number ten web site Rindi
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11-11-2008, 17:05
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
There still are in America though thinly supported
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11-11-2008, 17:06
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
Oh I thought it was Dave, right after Top Gear repeats
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11-11-2008, 17:08
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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I have every sympathy for your view on decency but I would ask this question. Where do you draw the line? One mans opinion on what is decent is not necessarily another's.
Freedom of speech should be absolute.
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I draw the line when someone else's human rights are violated by someone claiming to have the right of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech and deliberately upsetting people should not be confused yet you don't seem to see any difference.
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11-11-2008, 17:11
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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'Funnily' enough I really can't be bothered searching right now.
I do remember one time MargaretR chastised you for it though, and she mentioned incontinence in her reply, if that rings any bells for you.
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I’m sure you can’t be bothered because you KNOW you will not find anything.
Strange how you could be bothered to make such an allegation in the first place.
You are nothing more than a manure stirrer.
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11-11-2008, 17:13
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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Would that freedom of speech also be available to pedophiles, for example?
Stand up child molesters, 'entertaining' others of the ilk?
Happily in most decent civilisations there are limits on what can and can't be said.
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We could start off with your posts.
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11-11-2008, 17:13
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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I draw the line when someone else's human rights are violated by someone claiming to have the right of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech and deliberately upsetting people should not be confused yet you don't seem to see any difference.
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Agreed.
Happily we live in a civilisation where you can be prosecuted for preaching hate, from whichever end of the political spectrum.
Stuff the freedoms of those who preach hatred.
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11-11-2008, 17:14
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
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I’m sure you can’t be bothered because you KNOW you will not find anything.
Strange how you could be bothered to make such an allegation in the first place.
You are nothing more than a manure stirrer.
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Do try and keep up.
See post 63.
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11-11-2008, 17:14
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Re: Jeremy Clarkson....Another Celeb Loose Lips.
Have you heard the one about the Scotsman the Irishman the Englishman and the truck driver -hang on better stop now may offend the Englishman
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