Jesus Christ Prince of Peace?

kestrelx · 22-03-2008, 15:13

Hello People,
They claim that Jesus was the prince of peace but that is propaganda!?
Ref: Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Also the Jesus Myth must be based on pagan beliefs, this was done by the Roman creators of Christianity! How come Easter day changes every year in relation to the full moon? Surely if Jesus existed his death would be marked on the same day every year. However it is observed on the Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or after 21st March (Spring Equinox)! Surely this is part of the old Roman Mythology?

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3aff86a475e9.htm

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/10.html

If Jesus existed why isn't his death on the same day every year? But it fluctuates according to the full moon and the spring equinox! Surely that is Pagan of a Roman Nature!

Yours truthfully,

Nigel McHugh

panther · 22-03-2008, 15:14

god knows

BERNADETTE · 22-03-2008, 15:55

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god knows

Nice one

blazey · 22-03-2008, 15:59

Why do people busy themselves with disproving the bible and other religious texts? If you don't believe in it, that's fine yeah, but what difference does it make to you whether other people believe in them or not? Hardly going to make your life any better is it?

cashman · 22-03-2008, 16:02

always puzzeled me how Easter falls differant every year, if jesus was topped on a certain date now known as good friday, then to me the following year should fall on thurs or sat etc n certainly the same month.

that has never sat well with me.

shakermaker · 22-03-2008, 16:07

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always puzzeled me how Easter falls differant every year, if jesus was topped on a certain date now known as good friday, then to me the following year should fall on thurs or sat etc n certainly the same month.

that has never sat well with me.

Seeing as no universal calendar was in operation (certainly not our Gregorian calendar), then I think it's understandable that things were marked by what natural event took place on or near that date (eg Spring Equinox) rather than the actual time.

The original post by kestrelx in this thread is just uneducated ignorant tripe anyway.

blazey · 22-03-2008, 16:14

I assume it's because it is a day of remembrance and it just falls on the nearest friday to the friday the church believes was the day he died?

I mean, they couldn't just check what date it was on their digital watch and write it down could they

time keeping wasn't even around then was it?!

cashman · 22-03-2008, 16:21

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I assume it's because it is a day of remembrance and it just falls on the nearest friday to the friday the church believes was the day he died?

I mean, they couldn't just check what date it was on their digital watch and write it down could they

time keeping wasn't even around then was it?!

no but neither had they centuries ago, but they still know the dates of certain events in history.

blazey · 22-03-2008, 16:24

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no but neither had they centuries ago, but they still know the dates of certain events in history.

I don't know how they do that, i'm not a historian so I wouldn't be able to say how they date ancient history and such. Presumably through science?

cashman · 22-03-2008, 16:26

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I don't know how they do that, i'm not a historian so I wouldn't be able to say how they date ancient history and such. Presumably through science?

i dont know either,but they do,so why can the same theory not apply?

shakermaker · 22-03-2008, 16:36

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I don't know how they do that, i'm not a historian so I wouldn't be able to say how they date ancient history and such. Presumably through science?

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i dont know either,but they do,so why can the same theory not apply?

Carbon dating. The problem is it's never one hundred per cent specific. The process will often give an estimate that can only be as accurate as a few years or even decades away from the actual date.

My theory is basic but probably realistic. I think Easter was remembered each year by the Pagan's spring equinox being near it (because there was no established calendar). This became routine and it's why we work out when easter is even today. Force of habit is a powerful thing with us humans.

lancsdave · 22-03-2008, 16:39

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Carbon dating. The problem is it's never one hundred per cent specific. The process will often give an estimate that can only be as accurate as a few years or even decades away from the actual date.

My theory is basic but probably realistic. I think Easter was remembered each year by the Pagan's spring equinox being near it (because there was no established calendar). This became routine and it's why we work out when easter is even today. Force of habit is a powerful thing with us humans.

If Easter fluctuates because of that then why is Christams Day on the same date every year ?

West Ender · 22-03-2008, 16:41

The Romans certainly had a calendar but it had only 10 months and the year was 304 days. Any date written down at the time in relation to Christ's crucifixion (which is noted as an historical event regardless of whether you give it religious significance) would not equate at all with the later Julian calendar (and the later still Gregorian).

It was the Synod of Whitby which decided on the rather convoluted calculation for Easter and it has connections with the Jewish lunar calendar and the month in which Passover is celebrated.

Was Jesus Christ a prince of Peace? Not so much as the Victorians reinvented him to be I don't think (gentle Jesus meek and mild and all that rot). He was an historic figure - a revolutionary in difficult times when his country was occupied by Rome and not quite the mysterious, shadowy being often portrayed in films and on TV.

cashman · 22-03-2008, 16:44

i see some saddo has wapped kestrals karma, Why? its a legitimate point,one i dont really subscribe to, but it sure as hell baffles me, whoever it was i think yer a narrow minded saddo. p.s. i don't know the guy.

shakermaker · 22-03-2008, 16:50

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If Easter fluctuates because of that then why is Christams Day on the same date every year ?

Not an expert but I was always taught that Christmas was originally a pagan festival turned into a Christian festival. Spotting a pattern here...