Jesus's tomb found? - Page 3

jedimaster · 27-02-2007, 14:16

could it not just have been possible that thomas was a pre tv derek acorah?

WillowTheWhisp · 27-02-2007, 15:13

No, Thomas was the one who didn't believe until he'd seen for himself.

jedimaster · 27-02-2007, 15:37

ahh so he was more of a cieran o'keefe then.

SPUGGIE J · 27-02-2007, 17:19

If what was found is what they claim then it will blow everything apart and not just for christians. Ok they have donesome DNA testing but how can they prove it was some ordinary family. Its like saying that someone found in a grave if unmarked is Smith or Jones. We will never know and personally I would rather it stayed that way.

SimonGudgeon · 27-02-2007, 17:26

All of it is implausible.

LancYorkYankee · 27-02-2007, 18:07

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Originally Posted by jedimaster

how could it just be his soul if he rose from the dead?

and weren't there witnesses?

or had they just been at the hallucinogenic plantlife of the time?

excuse my ignorance.

As explained by Willow, Christians believe that he indeed rose from the dead body and soul. This was witnessed first by Mary at the tombsite and then by the 10 Apostles later by Thomas (Judas was tied up at the time

). Over the next many days, there were more than 500 witnesses to the arisen Christ.

All the Apostles went to their torturous, brutal deaths (except John who was exiled to the Isle of Patmos) without deny their claims of the resurrection. (These were the same guys who had abandonned and denied Jesus was he was intially arrested).

So yes Tadah, if these truly were the bones of Jesus the Christ, it would matter greatly. History would be totally turned upside down IMO.

Brian

slinky · 28-02-2007, 15:41

I personal think Mary Mag and the apostles had a great imagination

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LancYorkYankee · 28-02-2007, 18:53

But would they accept a horrible death for something made-up? Additionally, so many of the early christians, also witnesses of Jesus and His miracles, were horribly mangled, burned, and/or torn to pieces in the colliseum because of their beliefs.

This is documented by greek and/or roman historians!

Brian

West Ender · 28-02-2007, 23:50

As an agnostic I don't want to offend anyone's beliefs, we're all entitled to believe whatever we like, but I have read of the theory that Jesus lived for some years with a sect, it may have been the Gnostics but I'm not sure, who practised a build-up of endurance and tolerance of physical pain. The theory goes that he was able to survive cricixion, being lucky in that it was on a Friday and Jewish law, which the Romans repected to some degree, would not allow the victims to remain in situ, on the crosses, over the Sabbath. It would explain the resurrection. The NT has the story that in Jesus' tomb the women found 2 young men sitting by the empty shroud - medics?

Doubting Thomas would not believe Jesus was alive until he saw him - and saw the wounds of the nails in his hands and feet. They would certainly be there if the man was recovering from crucifixion and the NT says the wounds were there - and raw.

That doesn't mean I believe a word of this tomb discovery nonsense. What a good way to prepare for a Hollywood blockbuster. How long before the film comes out?

madmal_1 · 01-03-2007, 00:04

hey the dna test will prove it lol

Ianto.W. · 01-03-2007, 01:14

We are all entitled to believe what we want to, all I have to add is this, does it realy matter if it was his nibs grave or not, were all going to die some sooner than others. We have enough controversy in life without bothering if this is the tomb or not. Go up Burnley road there are rows and rows of his faithfull up there who have not come back to tell the tale, nor has he yet.

WillowTheWhisp · 01-03-2007, 08:26

I've read that theory too WestEnder. I don't know enough about the medical capabilities of the day or the technicalities of crucifixion to have an opinion on it though. Did the romans always take down the crucified victims on the sabbath? That's another thing I don't know either.

I just want to know where they got the DNA from to compare the tomb with.

There's even been one theory that Jesus was buried near Rennes le Chateau in France. There was a book about it called "Tomb of God?" I read all sorts of things like that because I find them intriguing - that one was full of stuff I couldn't understand though about sacred geometry and such like.

LancYorkYankee · 02-03-2007, 04:26

It was requested by the Jewish leaders that the bodies be taken down beforethe start of the Sabbath. They broke the legs of the 2 thieves to hasten their death. When they came to Jesus, they saw that he was already dead so they didn't have to break his legs. Instead the thrust a spear into His side. Roman soldiers were no strangers to death and had no reason to allow a still living Jesus to be removed from the cross.

The Jewish leaders greatly feared the idea that Jesus said He would rise from the dead. They requested the Roman Governor, Pilate, to post a Roman Guard and also seal the tomb. These tombs were seal with a very large slab of stone. Any attempt to free Jesus would have been met by this guard and the huge stone.

Roman crucifixion consisted of not only nailing the hands but also nailing through the heal bone. Death is from both aphixiation and huge blood loss. Also, Jesus was beaten, lashed severely, and made to carry His cross much of the way, and again stabbed with a spear. No amount of tolerance to pain could overcome this.

In my humble opinion!

Brian

shakermaker · 02-03-2007, 09:45

In all seriousness, I think that the writers of the books in the Bible are probably no different to today's movie producers such as James Cameron; with both using information passed down/found out to conjure up a new version or interpretation of that story, of course there's huge differences because of the type of society and amounts of money involved, but we must remember Cameron is out on a limb here in a religiously warped America.
The film should not be completely thrown out as useless conspiracy, it should be viewed with interest and a fair judgement.
Anybody reading Richard Dawkins' new book 'The GOD Delusion'? Interesting stuff.

WillowTheWhisp · 02-03-2007, 11:56

My cousin in the US say this film about the tomb has been criticised as bringing archeology into disrepute because it involves more guesswork than evidence.