John Leslie

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Lilly

When you come back then.....I don't think that rape charges should be able to be made say 13 years later because the evidence is even more shaky than it was at the time.

People's memories fade and you will have a hell of a lot of unreliable witnesses. How can the accused be expected to recall their actions from 13 years ago? You'd know that you hadn't raped anyone but how could you prove it?

You couldn't prove that you hadn't raped anyone and the prosecution couldn't prove that you had because there'd be no evidence.

When a recent rape is reported all sorts of evidence / samples are taken....from the scene, from the woman, the man, clothes and posessions are seized for forensic purposes. You can't do this 13 years later.

There'll be no evidence and if you can't prove a man guilty then he must be found innocent so he'll get off.

All that police time, money, upset, trauma etc for nothing.

Why do you think that rapes should be able to be investigated no matter how long ago they were?

sorry lilly, but forensic evidence has come on in leaps n bounds, plus the police have a duty to charge a person, if they think they have enough evidence fer a prosecution, so if they do there job correctly the chances are they will get a result,

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by accyman

i think anyone accused of rape should not be named until found guilty simply because even when found innocent the dammage is done

in cases of rape i would have a closed court so its only people relative to the case and proceedings present , no media and no public gallery and a gagging oprder on the alleged victim not to speak of it until a guilty verdict is decided but if the verdict is not guilty then the gagging order preventing her discussing the case stays in place

dont get me wrong here rape is a serious crime but how many innocent men are walking around under suspicion because they were found innocent but because their name and picture were in the news and in the papers people still think they either got lucky in court or must have done somthing

its time the accused were protected as well , we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty but often assumed guilty way before a trial because of the press

plenty of women have walked away from court free after owning up and saying they made it up because they were angry but by that time the poor blokes life is destroyed

somthing needs to change not only to protect men from vicious lies but also to protect genuine victims who fear coming forward because of these dispicable women who lie

I agree...I wonder who gave the story to press?
Could it be the same copper who was niffed that the first trial ended tits up?

[accyman]

monica lewinsky managed to keep bill clintons semen safe for years on her dress

just a thought to how a woman can see an opportunity and sit on it for a few years

[BERNADETTE]

Lilly Why do you think that rapes should be able to be investigated no matter how long ago they were?

Of course rape should be investigated from however long ago the alleged rape happened. It is not just children who are scared of reporting rape for fear of the consequnces but also a lot of adults. People who commit this horrific act often use threats to keep their victims quiet and very often this threat works for many years. It is only when the victim realises that they can report these rapes and feel safe that the evil perpetrators are brought to justice IMHO

[emamum]

after a rape the womans clothes are taken for proof..i doubt she would still have these after so long, and it will have been washed or, more likely thrown away/burnt!!!
the private area is checked for certain types of bruising only seen with rape... that wont be there
the place the rape took place is tested for bodily fluids, signs of a struggle etc
and photos are taken of everything.....
after so long all there is is what the accused says and thats not really evidence..

[katex]

Originally Posted by accyman

monica lewinsky managed to keep bill clintons semen safe for years on her dress

That didn't prove rape though Accyman, just that he was a fibber for denying he had any sexual contact with her.

[Lilly]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Of course rape should be investigated from however long ago the alleged rape happened. It is not just children who are scared of reporting rape for fear of the consequnces but also a lot of adults. People who commit this horrific act often use threats to keep their victims quiet and very often this threat works for many years. It is only when the victim realises that they can report these rapes and feel safe that the evil perpetrators are brought to justice IMHO

As I said in a previous post, I can see how long term, regular rapes / abuse can be detected and prosecuted but what evidence would there be of a rape that only happened once, many years ago?

[Lilly]

Originally Posted by emamum23

after a rape the womans clothes are taken for proof..i doubt she would still have these after so long, and it will have been washed or, more likely thrown away/burnt!!!
the private area is checked for certain types of bruising only seen with rape... that wont be there
the place the rape took place is tested for bodily fluids, signs of a struggle etc
and photos are taken of everything.....
after so long all there is is what the accused says and thats not really evidence..

This is what I'm trying to say emamum.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by accyman

monica lewinsky managed to keep bill clintons semen safe for years on her dress

just a thought to how a woman can see an opportunity and sit on it for a few years

Ye but......In your younger days...if a young attractive woman crawled under your desk and took charge of proceedings....who are we to look a gift horse in the mouth?....would you thow your shreddies away?

[accyman]

Originally Posted by katex

That didn't prove rape though Accyman, just that he was a fibber for denying he had any sexual contact with her.

i wasnt saying it proved rape i was merely showing an example of where a woman with a keen eye for opportunity can easliy keep evidence for later use

whats to stop a woman who i sleep with saving her clothes with my DNA on them and screaming rape weeks months or even years years later ?

the forensic evidence would be there for the court to see and all that would be left would be the word of a man who cant remember what he did one particular day and by that time his name will have appeared in the paper and in the news

and how do you think it came out that monica lewinsky had sexual relations with clinton , im pretty sure she arranged it and she made millions from it


ps;

like to add i am not belittleing but putting forward a few of many possibilities out there

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by Lilly

As I said in a previous post, I can see how long term, regular rapes / abuse can be detected and prosecuted but what evidence would there be of a rape that only happened once, many years ago?

In the majority of cases just the very vivid memory of the rape from the victim, these brutes who commit these terrible acts seem to have very selective memories about what has or has not occurred. The victims on the other hand can recall every last horrendous moment of the attack.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by Royboy39

Ye but......In your younger days...if a young attractive woman crawled under your desk and took charge of proceedings....who are we to look a gift horse in the mouth?....would you thow your shreddies away?

Not to sure about that Roy.. known a few dogs..but a Horse? ..sounds a bit pervy mate!

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Not to sure about that Roy.. known a few dogs..but a Horse? ..sounds a bit pervy mate!

No ...My horse passed the post long ago......I think that Charlie Chaplin rubbish was all balls.

[jaysay]

I can't remember John Leslie being charged, he attended a police station with his solicitor for a pre-arranged appointment. It appears that the story was leaked to the press by some one from the police. If a complaint is made the police are duty bound to invetigate, except if you and me are broken into, then they just give you a crime number over the phone
There was a solicitor on TV this morning who said after all this time he didn't think that he could receive a fair trial, it does seem funny to me that any woman would waite 13 years to report such a serious crime.

[WillowTheWhisp]

It's not the 13 years that surprises me, it's the fact that she didn't come forward when all the others came out of the woodwork. Why now? She'd have stood more chance of being believed if she'd have come forward when the others did.